collapse

* Recent Topics

??? by Candice
[September 22, 2020, 05:56:54 PM]


Have Patience as More Photos Coming by Mhayes
[September 17, 2020, 11:13:44 PM]


color advice unrelated to opr by Kerbstone
[September 09, 2020, 03:40:17 AM]


Happy Birthday Jonas by Jonas.Wendorf
[August 19, 2020, 05:32:05 PM]


School Days School Days by Candice
[August 16, 2020, 12:47:08 PM]


Rum and coke on photo by BBeesley
[August 14, 2020, 12:45:47 PM]


Why did I do it? by Mhayes
[August 11, 2020, 11:34:07 PM]


WWII - WIP by Candice
[August 09, 2020, 01:17:48 PM]


Best bar in town.. by Lynnya
[August 08, 2020, 10:32:57 AM]


Upgrade from Mac Mojave to Catalina by kiska
[August 08, 2020, 06:59:40 AM]

Author Topic: Colour matching and profiles?  (Read 10851 times)

Offline DaveG

  • OPR Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 2
Colour matching and profiles?
« on: July 08, 2006, 08:05:50 PM »
Just wondering how much we need to worry about colour matching and profiles in the images we receive, and send back to OPR.  I've got a 24" Dell LCD at home and while the colour looks fairly accurate, I havn't used a calibrator on it, so it's likely off somewhat.

I've been tempted to pick up a USB calibrator (infact there's a nice $60 rebate on the Spyder 2 Pro right now), but if it doesn't have to be perfect, I might save myself some money :P

Likewise, when I got a photo from OPR to work on, I got a profile mismatch warning when Photoshop opened it.  Just wondering how other people are handling it (use embedded, convert to working space, discard).

I'm guessing that if there are any final colour corrections to do, they'll be applied before printing (BTW: are the people who owned the photos getting the digital versions as well, or only prints?)

Dave

Offline happyheart

  • OPR Long Time Hero
  • ***
  • Posts: 104
  • my feelings exactlly!
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #1 on: July 31, 2006, 07:48:45 PM »
I'm using the Adobe RGB color space, and haven't received any warnings about mismatch, so they must be scanned using this colorspace.  I have my software set to use the embedded colorspace.  I have the GretagMacbeth EyeOne Pro and a 23 inch Viewsonic Flat panel.  The calibration does make a difference, but the flat panels are very limited as to what types of adjustments you can make.  There are a few on mine that I can't get within the recommended range of the EyeOne.  I do notice a difference in the color on the 23 inch that I calibrate and my 19 inch that doesn't have any adjustments (to speak of).  I use the calibrator at my business also.  I had been wanting one for a long time and finally just bought one.  I like using it, but I could live without it if I had too.
If it's artsy or Photoshop, I'll give it a try!
aka Betty

Offline marylou

  • OPR Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 34
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #2 on: September 08, 2006, 10:23:10 AM »
I'm new here, so while I'm waiting for further instructions to begin working, I thought I would make myself useful. To read about some useful information as to how we should prepare our files, as far as color management is concerned, you might want to read the West Coast Imaging FAQ page, here's the link:

http://www.westcoastimaging.com/wci/page/info/FAQ/uploadfaq/colormgt.html

I found their link at the OPR blog under friends, so I immagine that they will be printing the photos. Hope you find this useful.

Offline schen

  • Site Admin
  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 976
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #3 on: August 30, 2007, 07:11:39 AM »
This is an old thread and it seemed to stop without a conclusion.  So I am trying to see I can resurrect it.

I am using a Sony Trinitron monitor.  sRGB would be a better fit profile.  The photos I downloaded so far were all Adobe RGB.  If I convert it to sRGB, will it be converted back to Adobe by the QC?

Is it better to work on them in Adobe RGB without conversions?
Windows 10, Photoshop CS6

Offline Mhayes

  • Site Admin
  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 5935
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2007, 11:40:28 AM »
Schen,

I went to the link posted by Marylou that is the FAQ page for West Coast Imaging. While they do not say specifically which RGB profile to use, I would say Adobe RGB. Here is a quote that makes me lean that way: "My digital camera lets me use sRGB or AdobeRGB. Which should I choose?
Most people find that they make better prints when capturing into Adobe RGB."

I use a Sony Artisan and the two printers I use online give an example of the profile they expect you to follow. Both places use AdobeRGB and they take care of the conversion to CMYK.

Margie

"carpe diem"

Margie Hayes
OPR President
mhayes@operationphotorescue.org

cmpentecost

  • Guest
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #5 on: August 30, 2007, 12:49:13 PM »
Adobe RGB is the preferred profile.  the sRGB is more for web content.  If you get a warning saying you do not have a matched profile, it means that the profile you have your Photoshop set at is different than the settings we had our cameras set at. 

Christine

kstruve

  • Guest
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #6 on: August 30, 2007, 12:51:50 PM »
I'm not sure much of this color management discussion is necessary, as OPR does final color correction as part of quality control on their end before sending them off to be printed.  However, if saving our images with a certain profile would save them any time, it would make sense to do it.  Thoughts, Christine?  Dave?

Kurt

*** edit ***

Ah, you already answered, Christine. 
« Last Edit: August 30, 2007, 01:02:22 PM by kstruve »

Offline schen

  • Site Admin
  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 976
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #7 on: August 30, 2007, 02:23:29 PM »
I agree that this discussion is mostly academic in regard to OPR.  Few of them were high quality color studio photos before they were damaged.  Most of them were in such a poor shape after damage that we are resorting to "restoring the memory".  But I like academic technical discussion and this might help taking my energy off the other thread.  I will do whatever I can to help our fearless leader.

http://www.oprworkshop.org/forum/index.php?topic=872.msg8285#msg8285

If the picture was taken using AdobeRGB and will be post-processed in AdobeRGB, then using AdobeRGB profile in restoration will avoid the conversions and loss of color gamut.

But I am using a CRT monitor.  I would expect sRGB profile to match the monitor better.  So should I or should I not use sRGB profile?
Windows 10, Photoshop CS6

Offline kiska

  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
    • ob
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #8 on: August 30, 2007, 02:50:34 PM »
This is how I have my color settings.

http://upload.pbase.com/image/84754817

kiska
Photoshop CS6, MacPro

cmpentecost

  • Guest
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #9 on: August 30, 2007, 05:25:19 PM »
My color settings are the same as Kiska's, and if anyone has Katrin Eissman's book, she also give instructions for setting up Photoshop at the beginning of her book.

Chris

Offline glennab

  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 3226
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #10 on: August 30, 2007, 08:56:19 PM »
My understanding from the beginning was that the restorations would be color corrected before being sent for printing (or at West Coast).  If we should be using specific color settings, it would be good to know.  My understanding is that any changes to files (including color profiles) degrade the image, and we're dealing with enough of that already.  I just renewed my NAPP membership through OPR and got Ben Willmore's DVD on Mastering Color.  Until I can delve into that, I'm wondering what profile to use if it's other than what we receive in the files from the gallery.  Chris and kiska, I'm also curious about the dot gain settings.  I thought those were only for images to be printed on press.  Am I behind the times?

Glenna
What we do for ourselves dies with us. What we do for others and the world remains and is immortal. ~Albert Pine

(Photoshop CS5 /Mac Pro)

Offline kiska

  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
    • ob
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #11 on: August 31, 2007, 03:40:22 AM »
Glenna, my PS instructor, Sherry London, suggested those settings thru her class. The 'custom' part at the top is a result of choosing US Prepress (her suggestion as she surmised most of her students would be using desktop printers). The dot grain settings are default...dunno what they're for.
kiska
Photoshop CS6, MacPro

Offline schen

  • Site Admin
  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 976
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #12 on: August 31, 2007, 09:29:09 AM »
Dot gain is a phenomenon of printing process that the effect of a printed dot is greater than the size of the dot on the printing plate due to the spread of ink and the optical effect of ink on the area surrounding the dot.  The amount of dot gain depends on the paper and the viscosity of the ink.  I believe dot gain in the profile is used to reduce the values of CMYK in the conversion to CMYK so that the end printed image will have the expected darkness.  If we start with RGB and end with RGB, dot gain values should have no impact.
Windows 10, Photoshop CS6

Offline kiska

  • OPR Master
  • *****
  • Posts: 1457
    • ob
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #13 on: August 31, 2007, 09:52:35 AM »
oh.
kiska
Photoshop CS6, MacPro

kstruve

  • Guest
Re: Colour matching and profiles?
« Reply #14 on: August 31, 2007, 11:06:40 AM »
Thank you Wikipedia!  ;)

Kurt