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Title: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 02:05:12 AM
I still have a lot to work on, but I wanted some affirmation (or not) that I had the basic limbs and positions correct. I also am not sure what the boy's thumb is tucked into - there's clearly a piece of fabric over the tip of the thumb, but it can't be a pocket and I can't see a toy or other object.

I have done an "underpainting" layer for the missing arms, legs, face parts and hands, just to make sure the composition is right. I realize it looks really crude, but try and ignore that :) I will make it look like a photo after I'm sure I'm on the right track.

(https://i.postimg.cc/2bdW96pt/Brou-P-07-02-8x10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/2bdW96pt)


(https://i.postimg.cc/CdYkBjkp/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-WIP.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/CdYkBjkp)

The blue channel has very little to offer in this image, so I didn't bother to post that. All suggestions appreciated.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 15, 2021, 10:17:48 AM
Looking good so far.. the little girls face on her damaged side looks too wide to me.. I can't imagine what the boys thumb is in but it definitely is in something..to me the positions look good.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 02:40:04 PM
Thanks. You're right about the face.

I'll do a bit more to re-shape that (and the smile isn't quite as wide as it should be either).
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 05:26:51 PM
So I've worked on the little girl's face a bit more and I think the shape of her jaw, neck and mouth are better. See if it looks better to you :) Sometimes, after you look at things long enough, you can't seem them any more...


(https://i.postimg.cc/JyMFVX9c/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-WIP2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/JyMFVX9c)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 15, 2021, 06:16:54 PM
It's better.  I think it could be a little more "rounded" more baby like? Her jaw line is just a little sharp.   I also think her mouth is open just a little more with the corners ever so slightly up rather than straight.. Difficult restore.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 06:23:08 PM
Thanks. I switched to working on the boy's clothes to have a break from trying to figure out what this little girl looked like!

I'll take another run at it and then ask Bambi to see what she thinks (before I do all the details and get the skin texture, etc.). I had a slightly more open mouth earlier (between the two I posted) but I thought she looked gormless (British slang for empty-headed)!. I might try and find a stock photo I like to use as reference.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 15, 2021, 06:27:08 PM
Being British I'm familiar with lack of gorm.  :funny:
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 06:34:55 PM
I didn't know you were British!

I came to the US when I was 20 (a very long time ago; now I'm a citizen) but all my family are still in England. People here think I sound British; people there think I sound American. When I lived in Austin Texas, they knew I wasn't from "around here" :)

Do you consider yourself settled in the US?
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 15, 2021, 06:42:49 PM
Yes been here since 1977 yes I feel settled - we just moved to Carnation Wa 18months ago from Florida.. I'm a citizen as well and still have family in UK. Trying to get used to overcast skies and RAIN.

played with your baby girl a bit.. rough and dirty.. pushed in the cheeks a tad and lifted her mouth a tad.. don't know if it's better or not.. looking at it again.. I think her mouth is a tad (another tad) too wide.. just a tad. On the left side looking at the screen.


(https://i.postimg.cc/5Y2t04rk/babymouth.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/5Y2t04rk)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 15, 2021, 06:53:16 PM
She looks much happier. I'm wondering if the chin should be less pointy than my last version? I'll play - but I like the mouth turned up.

You're only a little east of where we are. The blue skies and low humidity of summer have now given way to the gray season :) Pre Covid, we'd typically need a sunshine fix around February (and San Diego is good for that)...
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 15, 2021, 06:57:04 PM
Yes I think the chin should perhaps be rounder.. more babylike.. Summer has been drop dead gorgeous .. now comes the mud season. Had to buy boots and heavy coats etc.. we live on a farm!
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 16, 2021, 10:58:27 PM
Mid-afternoon today we were able to sit outside in bright sunshine which was a treat, but while the weather wasn't as nice I did more work on this restore.

I got Bambi's OK that I was heading in the right direction, so I think I've made progress in getting the little girl to look like a little girl :)

(https://i.postimg.cc/PLdFHJt1/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-WIP4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/PLdFHJt1)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 17, 2021, 06:46:35 PM
Looking good JoAnn.. made me smile.. do you think her cheeks are a little pale and a tad puffed out? only a smidge mind you.. Looking at it again I think her cheek on the right looking at the screen is great.. the one on the left looks a little too pronounced to me.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Shadow on October 17, 2021, 09:30:16 PM
Agree with Lynn on the left cheek. What a wonderful job so far JoAnn!
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 17, 2021, 11:37:34 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions. I'm still working on this but see if you think that this afternoon's edits have made the little girl look better - color, less puffy in the cheeks?

I think it's looking more believable, but it's hard when you don't have her actual face to look at :)


(https://i.postimg.cc/BLFq6VtR/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-WIP5.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/BLFq6VtR)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 18, 2021, 02:39:38 PM
Looks tons better to me JoAnn.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Candice on October 18, 2021, 11:53:00 PM
I see the little girls lips a little differently. And I think there are 2 lower teeth, too.  However,  the rest is really coming along.

(https://i.postimg.cc/qz4Jq1jX/Brou-P-07-02-8x10.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qz4Jq1jX)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 19, 2021, 09:57:19 AM
Candy!! I think you are right! why would she not have lower teeth.. that looks really good.
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on October 19, 2021, 06:33:20 PM
I swear I'm going to be in double digits for the WIP versions!! But here's another update, incorporating the latest suggestions

(https://i.postimg.cc/Z9nmcqcS/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-WIP6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Z9nmcqcS)

I think this is better - anything obviously less good than before?

I sent this next one back to Bambi to see if she's happy with it. Thanks everyone for the assistance.

(https://i.postimg.cc/qtxRNsKQ/Brou-P-07-02-8x10-edited.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/qtxRNsKQ)
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Lynnya on October 20, 2021, 09:54:09 AM
Beautiful JoAnn! phew! what a long ordeal that was.. it was well worth it by the looks of it tho.  :up:
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Shadow on October 20, 2021, 03:33:11 PM
What a transformation.  :up:
Title: Re: Brother & sister sit for portrait
Post by: Candice on October 20, 2021, 11:57:36 PM
Sweet faces, Jo.  ;)