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Title: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 01, 2019, 04:51:45 PM
Hi everyone,
Please look at this and see if I missed anything. 
I've looked at a number of pictures and it appears that the suits are a very dark brown but could pass as black.
Thanks a bunch.
Mary
(https://i.postimg.cc/Mv6vzfcq/final-for-forum.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/Mv6vzfcq)

(https://i.postimg.cc/GHX9t3YY/Orig-for-forum.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/GHX9t3YY)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Shadow on June 01, 2019, 05:29:17 PM
Hi Mary, coming along nicely! Think there's still damage on the wedding dress. Maybe give it another look and even things out some more. Maybe sharpen up the soft edges around the men's pants as well. Look forward to the final.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 01, 2019, 06:38:31 PM
Hi Shadow.  Well thatís very odd.   I just looked at the picture I posted and I see all the white blotches.   My picture on PS cc doesnít show that unless I look at it in multiply mode.   I donít know how that happened but Iíll try to fix it.
Thanks for picking that up.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 02, 2019, 05:19:29 PM
I am very dazed and confused.  I redid the dress.....cloning, healing and pasting a new top.  But when I change the blending mode to multiply it still shows the damage like before.  What am I doing wrong?  Regardless, I hope this one is ok.
On another note, when I go to Galleries Photoshelter I don't see anything of Bambi's.  I see 2 for Tess and 13 for Jonas but that's it.  Am I going Nutsikoo?
(https://i.postimg.cc/XX7VS1c2/Final-for-forum-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/XX7VS1c2)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Mhayes on June 02, 2019, 10:27:31 PM
Mary, great job and I see what you mean about the damage. I use Multiply when I want to darken something and if there is damage underneath I don't think it will conceal. My thought would be to borrow sections of the good side, put on its own layer and then transform horizontal. Then a layer mask and paint in what look good. Maybe it is just me, but I would lighten the bottom gray of the gown just a tad. What I've done with the top isn't great, but you'll get the idea. Otherwise very nice.
 
(https://i.postimg.cc/1V5SYz8P/Final-for-forum-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/1V5SYz8P)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Lynnya on June 03, 2019, 08:17:44 AM
Mary nice job! I've booked us a room at the mental health spa for two nights of therapy and wine... :up:
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 10:40:18 AM
Thank you Lynn!  Perfect!

Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 10:51:22 AM
Margie I agree.  Iíll lighten the bottom of the gown a tad.  Going to take another look at the groomís face.  Thereís something a bit off.  Then it will go to Bambi.
Thanks.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Lynnya on June 03, 2019, 10:59:16 AM
Mary, Jo Ann and Shadow will be joining us at the Healing Wine Spa... can you bring cheese and crackers please?
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2019, 11:00:00 AM
Beautiful Mary. Lightening that dark shadow will put it over the top.
Instead of a mental ward I suggest we all head down to Lake Austin Spa for our recovery.  ::)  Plenty of pampering, good food, good drink and Mother Nature. We'll be ready for our next one in no time.

See, they even have a place for us on the dock.  :funny:

(https://i.postimg.cc/xXjXM1Rt/Lake-austin-after-rain.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xXjXM1Rt)


(https://i.postimg.cc/tnCgPrd7/Lake-austin-after-rain-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/tnCgPrd7)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 11:25:06 AM
Ha! I used to live just up the road from them (in Steiner Ranch, before it got so huge). I never made it to the spa (had a very young child at the time) but this is the wrong time of year to head to Austin (winter months are gorgeous).

I like the idea of somewhere on the water a lot - dangling one's feet over the end of a dock sounds like heaven!
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Lynnya on June 03, 2019, 11:27:14 AM
Sounds Perfect.. I'm in!! :up: :up:
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 03:38:42 PM
One more time.  I lightened up the bottom of the gown and redid the groom's face.
Better?
(https://i.postimg.cc/0z8G4QzQ/Final-for-forum-3.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/0z8G4QzQ)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2019, 03:49:33 PM
See how this looks to you. Real quick. Added a new layer, sampled the dress color and then painted in Normal mode about 50% opacity. Then changed layer mode to Overlay and reduced the opacity. Adjust it so it looks good to you.
By the way, ck the bride's bodice ... maybe so bright spots?

(https://i.postimg.cc/k5s0C4W5/2019-06-03-B-G-and-friends.jpg) (https://postimages.org/)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 04:08:03 PM
Shadow I tried your suggestion and all it did was make it a brighter white.  I'm not sure what I'm trying to accomplish. I don't see bright spots on bodice.  It all just looks white to me.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 04:11:36 PM
I see bright spots on the bodice too. Off the top of my head I can't think of a reason you can't see them, but sorting out the why - more than fixing the picture - seems really important.

The only thing I can think of is that your monitor brightness is too high and that the "normal" whites and "bright spots" thus look the same on your screen. But if that were the case, why are you only just seeing a problem?

Did you just upgrade something - monitor, software, monitor profile?
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Shadow on June 03, 2019, 04:13:37 PM
Mary, for this method you reduce the opacity when you paint and then reduce the opacity of the layer that you painted on as well. Does that help? I sampled the dress on the main part for the color. Here's the spots I was referring to.

(https://i.postimg.cc/r0hxs4T5/2019-06-03-B-G-and-friends-2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/r0hxs4T5)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 04:40:05 PM
If you look at this test chart, can you see each square separately on your monitor:

https://www.drycreekphoto.com/Learn/Calibration/monitor_sensitivity.html
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 04:51:56 PM
Holy Kamoly!! It's my monitor!  Thanks you so much for catching this.  I'll work on setting it correctly and check out the white spots.  Goodness.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 06:00:32 PM
Well, I calibrated my monitor but want to really get into it.  Please take ANOTHER look.   I don't trust anything anymore.  I can't tell about the bodice and arm.  Does it look ok?
BTW, what monitor would you guys recommend?  Those Eizo's look very pretty.
Thanks for everything.
(https://i.postimg.cc/ThbMTrxp/Final-for-forum4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/ThbMTrxp)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 07:00:03 PM
Glad you figured out where the problem was. I think the big problem with the bride's gown is that it's flat - no highlights or shadows. The satin fabric was very shiny. I did the quickest of cleanups of the original damage on the skirt of her gown and then overlaid a layer with that in luminosity mode over your restore to give back some of the highlight/shadow data. The bodice and sleeve are also without depth/sheen, but that'd take more fixing - I wonder if Bambi has one of the already restored images that could help?

See what you think of this, compared to the above

(https://i.postimg.cc/bsZxyhd9/BG-n-bridesmaid-bestman-edited.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/bsZxyhd9)

You could do shadows & highlights by drawing on a layer versus using the original; I just thought this might be easier
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 07:03:43 PM
As far as recommending a monitor, some of that depends on what else you do with your equipment - are you involved in color sensitive work outside of OPR? Eizos are very good but not cheap. My most recent purchase (last year) was BenQ 2700PT. I've read good things about the Dell Monitors (I think) that are capable of calibration, decent quality and reasonable price.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 07:25:54 PM
I actually have a Dell.  I just bought a SpyderX Pro that will hopefully solve things. 
Iíll do some more work on the gown.  🤓
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 03, 2019, 07:40:03 PM
There are lots of Dell Monitors though. Here's one (there are more out there) of the comparison articles

https://www.creativebloq.com/buying-guides/best-monitors-for-photo-editing

Unless you think your monitor is dying or seriously deteriorated in its ability to hold its brightness and colors, perhaps just regular calibration is all you need?
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 03, 2019, 09:41:49 PM
Thatís what Iím thinking. Stay tuned.  Thanks Jo Ann.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 05, 2019, 06:09:59 PM
My goodness this has certainly been a learning process.  Jo Ann that luminosity tip was terrific.
I received my Spyder and hopefully my monitor is calibrated as it should be.
Please take a look again. 
Thanks for everyone's help.
Mary
(https://i.postimg.cc/wyz40hNb/for-forum6.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/wyz40hNb)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 05, 2019, 06:54:03 PM
So there are no more white spots - you have no idea how tempted I was to start out with a story of strange yellow marks...but I remembered I'm supposed to be an adult and behaved myself :)

The bride's dress is very bright, especially the bodice, so there's no detail of the lace that covers it (no satin as there is on the sleeves). Possibly you can bring the highlights down just a hair so there's some visible detail in the bodice fabric?

The only other thing that caught my eye was the carpet at the bottom of the step - there's some odd wandering in the seam where the bottom of the riser meets the main floor.

Other than that it's looking great
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 05, 2019, 07:28:05 PM
Yeah,  I never know if itís too bright or not.  Iíll try to tone it down.  Funny,  when I first started this journey,  I took some of the lace detail on the bodice  from the ďcutting the cakeĒ picture and pasted it in sections on this bodice.  Of course thatís probably where the white spots came from.  I could try that again?
Iíll take care of the wandering carpet.

Oh and thanks for keeping the yellow spots to yourself. 🤓
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 05, 2019, 08:16:09 PM
The healing brush is often great for making textures - fabric or carpet, best with just tones, not lots of colors - onto a painted surface. This is just an example, using one of my own images

(https://i.postimg.cc/hQzGDJj9/Transfering-texture.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/hQzGDJj9)

For maximum flexibility have everything on separate layers, with the one where you're making the texture above the others (and the healing brush set to Current & below). You can see how in the examples the colors of the painted area are retained as the texture is added to it.

The other thing is that you can use the rotation settings for the healing brush to flip a source around to make the right lace piece appear at a different angle when you apply its texture. The angles are like a clock, so 90 degrees is turning the object to the right and -90 to the left. You can also increase/decrease the size as you heal, which means a little source pattern can go a long way, especially if the area isn't front and center and very visible.
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 06, 2019, 07:02:53 PM
Hi there.  I used your healing technique, Jo Ann, with a sample from the "cutting cake"  picture.  I didn't see any lace detail on the bodice on the original so I hope my rendition is ok.  On the "cutting cake" picture there was a v shaped section under the bodice as a continuation of the lace.  Again, it didn't show up in the original so I didn't know if I should try to add it or not.
SOOO, what do you think?
(https://i.postimg.cc/jnK60hxG/7for-forum.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/jnK60hxG)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 06, 2019, 07:07:05 PM
I love what you did with that - looks very much part of the photo. I don't have any input on the V shape as the picture I'm working on has her bouquet at her waist so I can't see the lower part of the bodice at all.

Multiple thumbs up and a fanfare :)
Title: Re: B&G with friends
Post by: Marydh on June 06, 2019, 08:15:41 PM
Thank you Jo Ann!