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Title: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 08, 2016, 10:29:40 PM
Hey Gang. Here's a new one. Used the Difference method to get my Gray point and then I used the trick where you hold down the Alt Key and drag in the Black/White sliders to choose my Black and White points. Added a Levels layer and used the Gray dropper to set the gray point. Then added the Curves layer and set my Black/White points to 15/244 and tweaked the middle gray to 126. Added a Hue/Sat and decreased the blue color cast on his top and the door and the yellow across the lower front. Any thoughts? Thx gang.


(https://s18.postimg.cc/f4ac1o3yd/1_zpsfxxa6vbp.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/f4ac1o3yd/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/pse30idxh/4_zpsakt9xs9q.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/pse30idxh/)

(https://s18.postimg.cc/aky3g5m2t/5_zpsuvt0pirc.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/aky3g5m2t/)

(https://s18.postimg.org/fxmxua9z9/6_zpsfb2cqrer.jpg) (https://postimg.org/image/fxmxua9z9/)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 08, 2016, 11:30:57 PM
Any thoughts or suggestions? Thanks everyone.

(https://s3.postimg.cc/n42tzntvz/7_zpsmpzrupox.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/n42tzntvz/)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 09, 2016, 10:23:10 AM
I like your color version more than the black and white.. but it may be there is not enough for QC colorwise..there would seem to be a couple of options for this one  8) looking forward to seeing your move through. :up:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 11:39:46 AM
(https://s17.postimg.cc/59w3roi17/C_zpsgmgvsdue.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/59w3roi17/)

Something more like this maybe?
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 09, 2016, 01:09:12 PM
I like that.. see what Margie says.. she may want a black and white...  :-\  the last one I"m talking about..
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 01:13:53 PM
Many thanks. I like the last one too. Appreciate your opinion.  :hug:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Mhayes on December 09, 2016, 01:44:27 PM
Shadow,

Having a lot of Internet problems and not able to post a photo because I get timed out. I noticed when you went for neutral gray you used the edge of the step which I think was logical. However, I can see by your color sampler tool that you also have by the underarm of the boy on your right. That is what I used, because with the difference mode, the step did not show any black. More explanation later, but here is what I got and then I created a layer above set the mode to color and tried to bring out more color and offset the green.

Shadow,

Having a lot of Internet problems and not able to post a photo because I get timed out. I noticed when you went for neutral gray you used the edge of the step which I think was logical. However, I can see by your color sampler tool that you also have by the underarm of the boy on your right. That is what I used, because with the difference mode, the step did not show any black. More explanation later, but here is what I got and then I created a layer above set the mode to color and tried to bring out more color and offset the green.

I also have company company and a wedding to go to on Saturday, but will keep trying.

Margie


Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 01:54:47 PM
Hi Margie. You are a real trooper for getting that info to me! Thank you! I will go back and use your point and will keep watch for the rest of your feedback.
Now then, is all that company sleeping in one bed to stay warm? :cool: We are freezing our little tuchus off down here. Where's that southern warmth?!
Have a good time at the wedding.
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 03:08:12 PM
Went back and started over with the gray point under the arm ... this is where I am. It's just off but not sure how to proceed. Any suggestions?  :-[

(https://s11.postimg.cc/v1xqk63tr/Z_zpsgey6ydye.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/v1xqk63tr/)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 09, 2016, 03:21:53 PM
Hi lyn.. just to confuse things more  :funny: here is what I got after levels, curves and then grey point threshold... my point is on the door mostly..

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-xXBRWS6/0/XL/i-xXBRWS6-XL.jpg)

result

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-c3dtN2w/0/L/i-c3dtN2w-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 03:30:11 PM
Glad you did that. I have played with multiple points. The magenta/blue on the satchel and top of the boy bugged me. When you run your curves, do you set your points manually or use the droppers? Thanks for sharing.
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 09, 2016, 03:42:29 PM
I used to now I do as Margie does and use auto curves..I do the levels fist tho I think it gives a better start for the greys..I may be wrong tho..
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 03:50:25 PM
I'm going to try that.Will be back soon ... we can sip our cocktails and watch the sunset!  ;)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 09, 2016, 04:12:40 PM
 :up: :up: :crazy:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 09, 2016, 08:47:53 PM
Went back and used Gray point on door handle and the one near the arm. What do you think of this? Didn't want to remove all the character from the wall ... should I do more on the lower part?

(https://s12.postimg.cc/uxun1qs55/Capture_zpsudeqmsii.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/uxun1qs55/)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 10, 2016, 10:20:44 AM
Mornin Lyn.. I think it looks great but on my monitor it has a very yellow cast.. I did a difference gray point again and still find the first black pixels on the middle of the door.. not on handle or arm.. not sure why.. :-\

this it what it gave me...
(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KKLfVDN/0/L/i-KKLfVDN-L.jpg)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 10, 2016, 11:27:16 AM
Thanks for hanging in there with me Lynn. Think I finally duplicated your Threshold points ... had to refresh my Threshold adjustment layer and then it looked like yours. How does this look on your monitor? Also think I might need to recheck my calibration ... or stop when Shadow says stop  ^-^  Does he hair look a bit green now?

(https://s11.postimg.cc/bvfwg3yfj/8_zps5h10rmm4.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/bvfwg3yfj/)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 10, 2016, 12:08:58 PM
His hair does look a tad green to me (didn't measure in PS). You can always make small tweaks using a curves layer, masked with a very soft-edge brush for just the part you want to change. Sometimes - because of mixed lighting in the first place, or uneven fading/damage to the print, things are not uniform across the image, so trying another overall correction might fix the face but mess up some other area.

That is such a cute kid!
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 10, 2016, 12:11:58 PM
Hi Lyn this is the green turned up in hue/sat

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-qx34LxV/0/L/i-qx34LxV-L.jpg)

this is it down 100% and yellow up +5

dunno what say you...

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LbSSTLC/0/XL/i-LbSSTLC-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 10, 2016, 12:16:16 PM
after JoAnn's note I did a levels check (looked pretty good) and then an auto curves.. darkened it just a smidge (the curves did)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-k76WnLj/0/XL/i-k76WnLj-XL.jpg) 

this is usually where I lose the plot  :crazy:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 10, 2016, 03:59:42 PM
Thanks Jo Ann. Appreciate the feedback.
And Lynn, thank you very much for the screen shots. Especially liked the way you sussed out the extra green. Liked your steps so much I repeated them on my image and will send him up and see what Bambi says.
This one was trickier than I anticipated. When you run the Difference method to get the gray point, do you then use the gray dropper and click on the first black you see (excluding obvious damage) on a Levels Layer to set your point or do you do something different?
Have a good weekend gang and thank you for all the input!!  :hug:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 10, 2016, 04:28:41 PM
Yes they are tricky sometimes.. I just requested one and immediately thought "what was I thinking!"... re the difference methold.  I made an action for getting to the threshold adjustment, as soon as I start seeing black on the threshold I mark it and then go a bit further and do a couple more.. usually it's the first few black pixels that are gray, delete all the threshold stuff and  open my "curves"adjustment and click on that marker 1 with the neutral gray dropper.. I don't use levels at this point. Usually it goes "BAM" nice and neutral, but not always.. I tend to avoid damage for everything.. I sort of ignore it and only go for what's in the image.  Hope this helps. I think Bambi will love your boy  :loveit:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 10, 2016, 05:17:24 PM
Funny, "what was I thinking!" ... will have your cocktail ready for after your first WIP!
Thank you describing your process so well.  :) YES it helps. Think I will begin choosing the first and then a couple more pts like you describe and see how that works. It is sweet when it actually does go "BAM".
From your keyboard to Bambi's ears!  ;D
Good luck with your new one girl!
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Lynnya on December 10, 2016, 05:44:34 PM
Thanks.. it's cocktail time  >:D
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 10, 2016, 06:54:55 PM
Here, here  :funny:
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Mhayes on December 11, 2016, 12:14:00 AM
Really good so far. One thing that I do a little different than Shadow is how I find neutral gray. I go up add a layer and use Soft Light as the mode and then check the box for 50%. Then I go back to that layer and change the mode to "Difference." Anywhere that I see black means the closest it is to gray. Sometimes there won't be the perfect choice.

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/hayesbucket/boy_difference_zpsvkvaxee4.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/hayesbucket/media/boy_difference_zpsvkvaxee4.jpg.html)

I will take the sampler color tool dropper and mark the 3 best black areas. Then I will turn off the Difference layer and under it, but above my duplicate layer, I will go to Curves and use the middle eye dropper for gray. I will try all 3 to see which gives the best results.

Gave up and went to postmg--click on to see larger.

(https://s27.postimg.cc/9lmkr4zhb/001_step.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/9lmkr4zhb/)

I could have taken care of the green cast several ways, but decided to do it in Curves and then to the Green Channel pull down. Above the droppers is a "squiggly" tool that I used since I could zero in to the area that I wanted to have the green back off. Click on the part and then move that point to see if you can back the green off.

(https://s28.postimg.cc/iks1nc8w9/002_step.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/iks1nc8w9/)

Last I added a blank layer with the color mode and then added more color to different areas.

(https://s28.postimg.cc/3ubont5c9/003_step.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/image/3ubont5c9/)

Margie
Title: Re: Cutie on the step
Post by: Shadow on December 11, 2016, 03:03:35 PM
Marie, thanks for your detailed steps. This one has already gone home but I'm going to go back and try your steps. Always good to have more than one way to do things!  :wnw: