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Title: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 01, 2016, 09:23:04 AM
Hi all, starting a new one.. here is my WIP so far..color corrected only

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-ZBd7N9f/0/X2/i-ZBd7N9f-X2.jpg)

so... what do we think this is.. the big black blob to the right.. I don't think it's damage.. any ideas??

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zB8mwJ3/0/X3/i-zB8mwJ3-X3.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Shadow on December 01, 2016, 11:30:13 AM
These girls are in good hands! My vote for the black you pointed out is damage. Your color correction on my monitor is spot on! Look forward to seeing your next WIP! Have fun.
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 01, 2016, 12:58:30 PM
Could the black area top right be fabric? An awning on a shop perhaps? That would account for the wavy edge as the flap on some awnings is free to move in a breeze.

I can't really see well enough to know if there's any details to give a clue as to the material - if there's a seam or signs of woven cloth, then I think that would make it less like to be damage.

I wondered about the possibility of it being part of someone's clothing - if they were on some sort of viewing stand or platform that we can't see - but the only hint is that metal bar going between the blob and the right-most gentleman's hat.

Here are a couple of shop awning examples

http://www.oldnycphotos.com/nyny1144.html

http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2012/04/24/article-0-12BD23D6000005DC-693_964x763.jpg

The pictures here are small (https://www.nps.gov/tps/how-to-preserve/briefs/44-awnings.htm), but the Park Service has information about how they were used.
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 01, 2016, 02:37:58 PM
Hi Shadow and Jo Ann.. thanks for input..That black splodge just doesn't say awning to me.. I'm inclined to remove it if Margie lets me  :mad:

hey ya know what? I just looked at the smaller version and wonder if it's part of an old street light or sign... :-\
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 01, 2016, 03:00:41 PM
The bottom end, unlit, of something like this (http://untappedcities.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/lampost-flatiron-new-york.jpg) or this (http://forgotten-ny.com/wp-content/uploads/1998/08/empstat.jpg) perhaps?
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 01, 2016, 03:17:19 PM
Yes I agree with you Jo Ann... just what I was thinking... thanks so much for looking.. :up:
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 01, 2016, 04:12:58 PM
Here's where I'm at... comments welcome... lots of cloning and cleaning.. not sure about the sky..

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-bn3PCkD/0/XL/i-bn3PCkD-XL.jpg)(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-nrTXHxS/0/X2/i-nrTXHxS-X2.jpg) 

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-zcR9Pjt/0/X2/i-zcR9Pjt-X2.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 01, 2016, 04:34:56 PM
Lynn, a lot of pictures have the sky as white on B/W photos because the highlights were so bright. I would not try to make clouds, but just nothing other than texture like the rest of the photo. By doing that the attention focuses in on the girls. Nice clean up and what an interesting photo.

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 01, 2016, 04:38:38 PM
thanks Margie.. yes the sky was bothering me.. I'll fix it and re post.. Is this better??

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-6jnQ6qc/0/XL/i-6jnQ6qc-XL.jpg)  (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9MFTvFL/0/XL/i-9MFTvFL-XL.jpg)

Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 01, 2016, 05:21:47 PM
Lynn, yes much better. I'm thinking maybe the girl on your right should have her sign, paddle, etc lighter and not pattern like the sky?

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Shadow on December 01, 2016, 05:49:22 PM
Lynn, looking really good. Love the detail you brought out on their dresses!! Not to be too nit-pickey ... might just be the uploaded image, on the far left (looking at screen) above men on the bdg, is that a dark stroke? Like Margie's suggestion for the sign.
Very nice Lynn! :up:
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 02, 2016, 09:22:14 AM
Thanks for suggestions Margie and Shadow.. good eye there Lyn  :up: How's this correction...

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JVgjWTk/0/XL/i-JVgjWTk-XL.jpg)  (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3BRFhdn/0/XL/i-3BRFhdn-XL.jpg)
Hey!!! is this picture back to front?? the writing in the right hand corner which actually says Coquille New Orleans is backwards.. I assumed it was bleeding from the back but maybe it was scanned backwards.. I can change it easy enough if so..
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Shadow on December 02, 2016, 09:55:17 AM
Looks great Lynn!
Bet Margie will have the info you need. I searched the Coquille name and came up with this image on pinterest. The Coquille name is  not backward. https://www.google.com/search?q=Coquille+New+Orleans&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwi16prf09XQAhVH04MKHS5bD7IQsAQIIg&biw=1280&bih=579&dpr=1.5#imgrc=vslLojbpNcn3SM%3A
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 02, 2016, 10:40:51 AM
Hi Lyn.. thats amazing!!! could have used that one and avoided all the work lol.. but.... on this picuture the name is not backwards.. on mine it is...

http://natgeofound.tumblr.com/post/64832292122/children-wearing-mardi-gras-costumes-in-new

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-BHDgvMf/0/XL/i-BHDgvMf-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Shadow on December 02, 2016, 04:02:34 PM
Hey Girl. Well phooey ... I meant to write ...  and I bet it is supposed to be like this and then the link to the pic. Guess it's obvious I am SO ready for the weekend!  ;)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 02, 2016, 09:11:34 PM
Good catch on the name. We do not scan but instead use cameras on copy stands, but the image may be upside down when it comes time for us to crop to size. If you go to rotate image and pick 180, see if if will be correct? It will change the orientation but hope to have the name right.

Photo needs to be changed: Go to Image>Image Rotation>Flip Canvas Horizontal. That will correct the orientation and the name will not be backwards.

Other than our goof, looking really nice Lynn.

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 03, 2016, 09:11:04 AM
Fixed the backwards text.. Sending them home  :)

(https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-JVgjWTk/1/XL/i-JVgjWTk-XL.jpg)  (https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3BRFhdn/1/XL/i-3BRFhdn-XL.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 03, 2016, 12:57:58 PM
Lynn, they look great. What I was getting at in my last post is that when we cropped the photo, we got the orientation wrong. That is easy to do when you are looking at a photo that is upside down. Yes, now the text is correct and probably the owner won't notice that the picture is now switched. However, it's not like the original. You could go back a previous WIP and switch, but now with the letters correct you can't switch this version. Hope this makes sense? The text was the clue that the photo was rotated the wrong way.

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 03, 2016, 01:12:16 PM
Um... I think I got that.. in the original in National Geo. see here http://natgeofound.tumblr.com/post/64832292122/children-wearing-mardi-gras-costumes-in-new they are the same way round and the text is right.. I can flip it if you want tho..
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 03, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
Now I'm really confused, because you are right about the picture. But in the original we shot the print is backwards. Leave it as you have it. I had no idea this was in the National Geographic. Thanks, but still baffled.  :wow:

Send em home and thanks.

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 03, 2016, 02:37:17 PM
thanks will do  :D I'm baffled too...
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on December 03, 2016, 03:14:08 PM
Quote from: Mhayes on December 03, 2016, 02:10:38 PM
... I had no idea this was in the National Geographic. Thanks, but still baffled.  :wow:

How about this for a possible explanation? In the enlarged post of the OPR original, it seems that there's a depth to the letters. Old photo studios sometimes used those embossing stamps on their prints. Is it possible that the OPR print had the embossing stamp done on the back (probably by mistake) and the family was given that print and the National Geo got another print with the name the right way around?

It's clearly the same image, but if you look at the location of the studio lettering in relation to the stains and marks on the sidewalk, it clearly isn't the same location of the stamp

(http://www.digitalbristles.com/temp/Studio-stamp.jpg)
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Lynnya on December 03, 2016, 03:22:10 PM
Jo Ann.. the plot thickens  :cool: sounds reasonable...
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Mhayes on December 03, 2016, 04:06:21 PM
Wow! Thanks Jo Ann, how interesting.

Margie
Title: Re: Rivet Girls
Post by: Shadow on December 03, 2016, 09:51:41 PM
Don't ya just love a good mystery?!