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Title: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: nasaman on October 29, 2014, 03:51:40 PM
Below is the original:

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh616/nasaman1/McLaughlinC37_15_5x7.jpg)

and here is what I have so far:

(http://i1254.photobucket.com/albums/hh616/nasaman1/McLaughlinC37_15_5x7-ver3.jpg)

Any ideas for making the restoration look better would be appreciated.  I could especially use help with the ladies hair and interpretation of the clothing under her jacket.
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Mhayes on October 30, 2014, 03:05:40 AM
Nasaman, you have picked a really difficult one to work on and it is going to be slow going as you work a section at a time. I maybe wrong, but I have a feeling that you are not comfortable doing layer masks? If you are not, this photo will be almost impossible to restore. I tried doing a quick and dirty and it was anything but quick, but tried to give you a rough idea on how using available information and moving it about and with every layer I masked out. Her hair is kind of rough in and I tried by transforming to make the curls look different. Also be careful that you don't make her face look painted.

One thing as you work the background with the curtains and also with the ladies jacket, you want crisp edges.

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/hayesbucket/McLaughlinC37_WIP_zps6a962042.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/hayesbucket/media/McLaughlinC37_WIP_zps6a962042.jpg.html)

Margie
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: nasaman on October 30, 2014, 11:42:39 AM
Thanks for the advice.  I did use layer masks, but definitely need to get better at using them effectively. 
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Mhayes on October 30, 2014, 11:50:53 AM
What I like about layer masks is that I can borrow from a part of the photo move it into place and then play with it--lots of times I will transform to change the orientation and then do a conceal all and paint back in the area I want. By doing this I have a better chance of having sharp lines where I need them compared to trying to clone. This one is hard, so work a small section at a time and then take a break to save your sanity. Keep posting your work.

Margie
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Hannie on October 30, 2014, 02:18:18 PM
Hi Nasaman,

I wouldn't come near this photo with a ten foot pole, you are very brave!

I remember a "crispy curtain" tip by one of our volunteers years ago.
It went something like this:
- duplicate layer
- apply Motion Blur with angle -90 and distance 120 (or whatever looks good)
- add layer mask and invert (black)
- in layer mask use white and paint lightly over curtains

Hannie

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/motion_blur_zps5bae88b2.jpg)

Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Jonas.Wendorf on October 30, 2014, 02:33:13 PM
If I may add a small tip to Hannie's tip: If you copy your selection to a new layer first and check the protect transparency option (the little checkerboard icon on top of the layer stack), this will prevent blurring the surroundings into your selection (e.g. it will not blur the hair and face into it when you get too close).
Also it might be a good idea to look at some lighting simulators to see how the shadows on her face should probably look. I used to know some, but unfortunately it seems like the website is offline. I'll update this post if I can find an alternative :)

Edit: Found one (warning: NSFW): http://www.photoworkshop.com/pages/light_cage.html
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Hannie on October 30, 2014, 05:20:22 PM
Thanks Jonas, I didn't know about Lock Transparent Pixels, very handy tool!

I bookmarked the link to all the different light incidences, will be useful also.

:hug:

Hannie
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Mhayes on October 31, 2014, 02:20:32 PM
Thanks Jonas, will bookmark this also.

Margie
Title: Re: Help with difficult restoration
Post by: Pat on October 31, 2014, 02:40:36 PM
Another OPR forum topic chocked full of wonderful tips and suggestions to be added to my bookmarks :loveit:  Thank you nasaman for sharing your work in progress and inviting input from our many talented volunteers.  All the best as you continue your work on this very difficult restore.

Pat