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Title: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on October 29, 2014, 07:49:03 AM
Currently I am enjoying this restore.  An interesting photo.  The marine in the right foreground has two objects on his left lapel.  One is probably a rifle medal but the one adjacent to it is a problem for me.  It sort of looks like an artillery medal of some kind but I can't find a similar medal on google.  Just wondering if anyone has an idea of what it is.  Thanks.

http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/July2014%20Album/ToddM10_04_8x10_zps1982e3ea.jpg.html (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/July2014%20Album/ToddM10_04_8x10_zps1982e3ea.jpg.html)](http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/July2014%20Album/ToddM10_04_8x10_zps1982e3ea.jpg)[/URL]

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/July2014%20Album/leftLapel_zpsd314c37a.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/July2014%20Album/leftLapel_zpsd314c37a.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Hannie on October 29, 2014, 08:01:27 AM
Candy, where are you?  :)

Hannie
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on October 29, 2014, 03:16:36 PM
Quote from: Hannie on October 29, 2014, 08:01:27 AM
Candy, where are you?  :)

Hannie

You may find it before I do, but I'll look around.  Talking to one of my sources here is a reply from a Marine source: Looks like the Rifle Expert badge as viewed from a side angle.  Also suggested was this:  You could ask for them (the owner) to check a DD-214 for the shooting badges too, if possible.  Hope this helps.

(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g353/klassylady25/post-2829-1208015671_zps4981e553.jpg~original) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/klassylady25/media/post-2829-1208015671_zps4981e553.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on October 30, 2014, 06:47:19 AM
Thanks, I think our marine is wearing the rifle expert medal to the left of this other object.  Perhaps I will just leave things as they are.  I'll post my restore in a few days for comment. 
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on October 30, 2014, 01:59:24 PM
One down and one to go.  I'm asking.
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on October 30, 2014, 07:13:01 PM
All right Phil, this is the final word received.  Source is military.com, Marine Open Discussion Forum


(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g353/klassylady25/badges_zpse12b1a47.jpg~original) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/klassylady25/media/badges_zpse12b1a47.jpg.html)

(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g353/klassylady25/big-u-usmc-pistol-expert-badge-7303_zps7ea4dd8c.jpg~original) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/klassylady25/media/big-u-usmc-pistol-expert-badge-7303_zps7ea4dd8c.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Mhayes on October 31, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
Thanks Candice! I also have some Army photos in the hold you will enjoy.  >:D

Margie
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on October 31, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Thanks Candice.  That will help me out a lot.  I didn't know about the Pistol Expert Badge.  I'll post the picture with the medals in a few days.
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on October 31, 2014, 04:19:27 PM
Quote from: Mhayes on October 31, 2014, 01:13:09 PM
Thanks Candice! I also have some Army photos in the hold you will enjoy.  >:D

Margie
:up:
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on October 31, 2014, 04:20:03 PM
Quote from: philbach on October 31, 2014, 03:59:46 PM
Thanks Candice.  That will help me out a lot.  I didn't know about the Pistol Expert Badge.  I'll post the picture with the medals in a few days.

I'm glad to help, Phil. 
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on November 01, 2014, 11:11:41 AM
Well I have the medals on thanks to Candice.  I believe the medals should be located on the left front pocket flap.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/April_2012%20Album/TrialRestore_zps33ff0261.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/April_2012%20Album/TrialRestore_zps33ff0261.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Pat on November 01, 2014, 12:28:59 PM
Phil take another look at the orientation of the fingers on his hand; looks like a thumb where the pinky should be?  Otherwise an outstanding restoration!

Pat
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on November 01, 2014, 02:53:44 PM
Ha, thanks Pat.  I wiggled my hand to replicate the position and got it backwards. 
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on November 01, 2014, 05:17:43 PM
Phil, the placement is off of the medals.  I found an example for the placement of the medals and did an example. The rifle is directly over the crease, while the other is to the left of that.  I didn't shift the pocket but did try to get the perspective of the medals.  Hope this helps.

(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g353/klassylady25/Example1_zps7610e4ac.jpg~original) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/klassylady25/media/Example1_zps7610e4ac.jpg.html)

(http://i1097.photobucket.com/albums/g353/klassylady25/USMC_Ribbons_and_Badges_zps22b972d9.png~original) (http://s1097.photobucket.com/user/klassylady25/media/USMC_Ribbons_and_Badges_zps22b972d9.png.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on November 02, 2014, 05:58:04 AM
Thank you Candice.  Enclosed is the photo I used which has two medals instead of three on the pocket flap.  It looks like the "top" bar of the medals is directly along the top crease of the flap hinge.  I will move the two medals down a tad
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/Medals_zpsed7f2d4b.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/Medals_zpsed7f2d4b.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Mhayes on November 02, 2014, 02:17:25 PM
Phil,

I agree with Candice on placement and orientation of the metals and the pocket they are on. This is a side shot and the medals will not have the same orientation as they would viewed straight on. What will help you is to use the transform tool as it will let you: scale, rotate, skew, distort, perspective, wrap, and more.

Margie
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Candice on November 02, 2014, 06:46:47 PM
You're right on the placement on two.  I was looking at the three example... Brain lapse.  Still work on the perspective.  It's really looking good!  Hard picture for sure Phil.
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Mhayes on November 02, 2014, 08:23:59 PM
Phil,

I didn't want to take away from your post, so I created another called zps nightmare and wonder if you and anyone else can explain why I am having so much trouble downloading a copy of photos posted.

Thanks,

Margie
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on November 03, 2014, 05:02:05 PM
Well Candice and Margie thanks.   I think the perspective I had was incorrect like you alluded to, so I warped the pocket area to bring the medal farthest away down some.  The camera position was well below the height of the medals.  So this is the latest iteration.  I also amputated the misplaced thumb.

Margie, why don't you see whether you can download this photo.  I changed my preferences in photo bucket so the file name will remain the same.

(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/July2014%20Album/ForUpload.jpg) (http://s90.photobucket.com/user/philbach/media/July2014%20Album/ForUpload.jpg.html)
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: Mhayes on November 03, 2014, 06:08:47 PM
Phil, no I still cannot download the photo, or should I say it downloads but doesn't open. Instead I did a screen print and opened in Photoshop and then saved. I uploaded to Photobucket and here it is.

(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/hayesbucket/army_zpsb6e14cd7.jpg) (http://s192.photobucket.com/user/hayesbucket/media/army_zpsb6e14cd7.jpg.html)

I played some with his pocket with the medal and I think I like yours better because it blends in better, even though I like my orientation better. You have done a terrific job in the cleanup, but where I have the arrows you might want to smooth out the background. The patch tool usually works pretty good for that. I also added a little shading under the soldier's chin.

Margie
Title: Re: Foreground Marine
Post by: philbach on November 03, 2014, 09:36:36 PM
Thanks Margie.