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Title: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 12, 2011, 03:32:43 PM
Can I get some critique on this. I am having a very difficult time with the faux rug  and the pants thats for sure.
The photo just looks awful to me.
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Original
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/littleboyoriginal.jpg)

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Restored
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/littleboy.jpg)

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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: kiska on July 12, 2011, 06:59:57 PM
Here's a quickie that should help with his left leg. I did the basic levels and curves first.

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/Picture9.png)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 12, 2011, 08:56:03 PM
Wow, Kiska! That is nice! can you explain more of how you did that?
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 13, 2011, 05:45:30 AM
Kate, if you use the forum search and type e.g. "blue channel" this is one of the many pages that will tell you how to use the blue channel for repair work.
http://www.operationphotorescue.org/forum/index.php/topic,2296.0.html (http://www.operationphotorescue.org/forum/index.php/topic,2296.0.html)

Hannie
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: kiska on July 13, 2011, 06:12:58 AM
You should ALWAYS do levels and curves adjustments FIRST.

Levels adjustment layer
go into each channel and move outside sliders to beginning of peak
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/boy1.png)

Curves: double click white dropper, set rgb boxes to 245 EACH, click on whitest part of image. Same for black dropper but set rgb to 15 each.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/boy2.png)

Another curves layer, click the middle dropper, click different spots on image to improve color. On this one it was too yellow.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/boy3.png)

Go to channels palette. Click blue channel, select all/copy. Click RGB, THEN paste
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/boy4.png)

Go back to layers palette, set the new blue channel to luminosity.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/boy5.png)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Tori803 on July 13, 2011, 08:57:01 AM
Thanks Kiska. It looks like it takes much longer to explain than to do. We appreciate your taking the time to go over the details.

Tori
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 13, 2011, 10:12:41 AM
Thank you very much Kiska, that was very informative and useful. AND very appreciated. You have been the best one to date with helpful information. That is very sweet of you.
I shall now go see if I can make some magic happen from your mini tutorial.
thanks again.
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 13, 2011, 10:49:28 AM
Kiska, thanks for the reminder me to change the RGB settings to 245 and 15 for the white and black dropper!
(I had to re install Photoshop a couple of weeks ago and couldn't get the usual good readings)

Hannie
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Mhayes on July 13, 2011, 12:03:15 PM
Thanks Kiska! My settings are closed to yours, but I use the ones Soctt Kelby had in his book the Adobe Photoshop CS5 Book for Digital Photgraphers: Shadow Eyedropper: 7 on all rgb; Highlights Eyedropper: 245 on rgb; Midtone: 133 on rgb.

It is so much easier when you do color correction first---even if you think your photo looks good, take a look at it in Levels to see what colors are being clipped.

Margie
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 13, 2011, 12:51:54 PM
Very exciting to get such a productive hand in this. again, your thoughtful help is much appreciated.
This is what I came up with. Of course its not as the same as yours is, but I was once told that if you give 10 people the same cake mix, you will get 10 different cakes.
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/Image2.jpg)
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Now that I have that base, I can go from there. I realize my colors are all over, but I am only looking at getting the technique down, then I can get more serious.
That was a lot of work Kiska, and its been valuable to me. thank you very much.
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 13, 2011, 08:41:16 PM
Its looking like I will have to send this one back. Besides the tiny dust cleaning and a few other items,  this is about all I can seem to do... I do believe I am discouraged.  :-\
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/littleboy3.jpg)

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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 14, 2011, 09:18:51 PM
Ok, one more attempt and this is the final results. I cant say Im totally happy with it.
I may need to calibrate or something as the colors just dont look right to me, but I am spot on with the 'peaks'
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/WoodmoreV20_5_3pt5x5_final.jpg)

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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Bambi on July 14, 2011, 11:24:18 PM
I agree with all the suggestions everyone has made and I empathize with your frustration, Kate. One technique I use is Lasso>Feather(2-4 px)>Copy>Paste(creates New Layer)>Opacity:30-50percent(so you can see through it)>Free Transform>Warp.

I would have tried to select the sleeve on our left, feather slightly, copy and paste. Set the Opacity of the new Layer so I can see the original through it and use Free Transform>Warp to reshape it to match the original. It sounds hard, but it's pretty easy after you've done it several times. And fun. Then increase the opacity of the new sleeve Layer until it looks natural. I don't ever do this on faces. But it works great with clothes—especially when the Healing Tools don't work.

Remember, it only gets easier!

Bambi
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 15, 2011, 10:22:10 AM
Thanks Bambi, much appreciated. It does become frustrating when I cant see my next move, and its funny how once I post, then it comes to me...haha
I'll give the lasso a try as after I posted I did see that 'our' right side arm looks a tad malformed.  :huh:
thank you again for taking time to help! :)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 15, 2011, 07:47:22 PM
This is what I came up with... I do believe it will take much more practice, thats what its all about.  :)
the arm and leg is still looking malformed. Just not a natural look.
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/WoodmoreV20_5_3pt5x5_final3.jpg)
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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Judy on July 15, 2011, 08:07:37 PM
Kate,

I am a little confused, on your reply #9, there are folds of fabric under the boy's leg as there is in Kiska's.  Somehow your removed them by the last version in playing with the rug I suppose, and it is my impression that is why the leg looks malformed.

I don't see anything much wrong with the right arm though I might try (probably unsuccessfully) to reduce the shadows beneath the elbow that makes the shirt look like it is clinging to the arm.  It could have just been twisted, however, and looked weird on the original.  Such things are possible!

Judy
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: glennab on July 15, 2011, 10:24:12 PM
Hi Kate

I'm coming in a bit late on this, but I wanted to post the image I color corrected using both Curves and Levels, as well as the rather down and dirty way I recreated the fur of the rug for the right side of the bottom.  It needs to be worked on more, but I'll tell you what I think is the best way to handle it.  First I'll post the image:

(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/glennab-fla/littleboyoriginal-testG.jpg)

I used the healing and patch tools intermittently for the rug.  I sampled small areas from the good portion under his leg on the left and in the left corner and kept adding to the samples until I filled up a decent-sized area.  I kept sampling until I got rid of obvious repeats in the pattern and shading until I got something that looked okay (as I said, it's down and dirty, but gives you an idea).  A lot of the background cleanup was done by selecting bad areas and then filling them with content-aware fill.  That worked really well.

Something that I just learned in a tutorial - and I may be way behind the times on this - is the clone source menu.  It's amazing.  I just cloned one striped area on the sleeve and asked the clone source to rotate it 180 degrees.  Probably the best way to accomplish a credible copy of the good arm would be to clone each section to its own layer and then tweak and distort as you need to.  But the clone source will give you a good start.  Use a hard edge and 100% opacity and flow - then you can mask out anything that doesn't fit.

Also, I used calculations to get a B&W template for his leg.  I used gray and the blue channel and set the blend mode to pin light, then saved the image as an alpha channel.  I still find that calculations gives me the best template when I'm trying to see behind the muck.

Here's the image:
(http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n222/glennab-fla/littleboyoriginal-testG-Alpha.jpg)

I hope this helps and doesn't confuse things.  I hate to see you get discouraged, because this little guy can be completely restored, and I think you can get a good color correction.  I know we all have different ways to go about these things, but I thought I'd share what works for me.  Since I've been retired for more than a year now, I've spent a lot of time taking webinars and tutorials, and have discovered some wonderful new ways to defeat these stinkers.

BTW, it looks to me as if his trousers have a pattern on them.  It's faint, but it seems more than just debris.

Good luck!

GK

Once I posted this and could see the images, I realize that the rug still needs a lot of work. I still see obvious repeats.  But working at it will help with that.  And possibly the clone source will help move the direction of the fibers to a correct alignment.
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 15, 2011, 11:02:53 PM
Glen I am stoked! I didnt now about the clone source area.. Im going along fast! and its looking good.
I will be getting off the computer before long but wanted to thank you very much.
Hopefully tomorrow I can finish up a bit more in the morning!
I have renewed faith! :)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 15, 2011, 11:20:31 PM
Just a real quickie to show that I 'got' the use of the new clone source tools! that is really a wonderful thing. All I did was the reconstruct the arm, and that is a rough attempt.
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/test-1.jpg)
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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: glennab on July 15, 2011, 11:33:49 PM
Kate: One word: Awe Some!  Looks great.  GK
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 16, 2011, 01:05:04 PM
Its a little bit better, I think, but I think someone else could do much better than I ..hehe need more practice. :)
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/test_finis.jpg)
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I AM loving the new clone technique!! THAT is awesome! :)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 17, 2011, 05:52:19 AM
Kate, the only thing that you need to redo some are the levels and curves adjustments like Kiska described on the first page of this topic and you're ready to go!

Hannie
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 17, 2011, 08:49:41 AM
Thanks Hannie!
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/test2_finis.jpg)

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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 17, 2011, 09:12:08 AM
Looks great Kate!

I think you work in Adobe RGB (1998) color profile, that is fine but when you upload to Photobucket (and to Photoshelter after you're done) you should convert to sRGB IEC61966-2.1
You can do this by going to the menu Edit>Convert to Profile.

The curves adjustment layers, here are the spots that I picked.  (black and white on one adj. layer and grey on a new one)
The grey spot you wanted to choose different ones till you find one that looks natural.

Hannie

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/curves-2.jpg)
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 17, 2011, 09:24:00 AM
 :-[ Im ashamed to say I did that, and for me I kept coming up with a too noticeable blue to the photo, so (hands head) I used 'auto' adjust instead of using my dropper......
I took a look at the 'convert to profile' adjustment, this is what I see, now to me it looks like it is showing the final in rgb, and my destination spaces for adjustments are all preset?, dont know that I understand that much.
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(http://i261.photobucket.com/albums/ii44/learninlady/ConverttoProfile.jpg)

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Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 17, 2011, 09:40:45 AM
No need to go to the Advanced tab.
This image will show you how convert to sRGB IEC61966-2.1, also check off the "Flatten Image"box.
http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12699214 (http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=12699214)

Hannie
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 17, 2011, 09:44:41 AM
ah yes, ok, and if I do that, do I need to keep going back and forth? or can I just reset that and forget about it.
I really dont want to have to reset that before uploading to OPR etc... :( Im going to need a long check list....hehehe
Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Hannie on July 17, 2011, 10:00:36 AM
Normally when you download a photo to restore the color profile is sRGB IEC61966-2.1 already so you don't have to do anything.  I noticed a few floating around that are Adobe RGB (1998).  Or perhaps you prefer to work in Adobe RGB (1998), if so then you only have convert to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 when you have finished your restore and it is ready to be uploaded to Photoshelter.

I you choose to work in Adobe RGB (1998) and want to post on the forum you can make a copy of your photo and convert to sRGB IEC61966-2.1 before you upload to Photobucket.  It will show the colors better on the forum then Adobe RGB (1998) would.

Hope this makes sense.

Hannie

Title: Re: Need guidance please
Post by: Oldfaded on July 17, 2011, 10:05:04 AM
yes it does Hannie. Thank you for explaining that for me. :)