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Well I have done nothing yet to this photo. I did not find much help in looking at the various channels. What I would like help on is to get an idea of the color of his pants. Notice that around his left posterior what appears to be pants is a brown color and in the messed up foreground the color looks much darker.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/Operation%20Photo%20Rescue/BehymerL2_02_30x40.jpg) :wow:
Phil, this is the only photo of this young men. There are only 2 photos of this family , the other one is of a young boy.
It could be that the sun is coming from behind, therefore the pants look much lighter on his left posterior :) then in the shady part in the front?
Hannie
Phil, it looks like he's leaning on something cylindrical and soft - maybe a sleeping bag in its sack. If that's the case, the only thing you'll see of the pants is the light brown patch on his rear. Unfortunately, whatever he's leaning on is very much the same color as the table, and it's a guessing game as to where the table stops and the wall starts, not to mention where the outline of the mystery object really is.
Phil, To me the brown is part of his shirt that looks brown either from damage or being in the shadow. My impression is that he is sitting on a bench and his leg on your left is pulled back and resting on something. I would try to get the pants and the background I would go with the wood siding as nothing really stands out.
Margie
Margie is right, I had another good look and the "brown" posterior part is the really long yellow shirt.
Hannie
Well I appreciate your ideas. They are very helpful to me.
I am going to assume he is wearing his "running/walking" shoes.
The second assumption is that he has a soft object on his lap like a duffel bag or sleeping bag.
The third assumption he is sitting on a relatively low object like a low bench or a stair tread
And finally that fabric on his left side posterior is from his shirt.
His left foot to our right? Maybe somewhat distorted due to foreshortening?
Phil:
You picked a doozie with that one.
The Gallery Manager Ladies may banish me to OPR purgatory :mad: for this suggestion but a tight crop will eliminate most of the distracting background, focus on the subject, take out much of the guesswork and enable completion while we're all still young.
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Boy, Hannie's Frisian background certainly came out on this one. That doesn't look like a wet noodle either. Poor Terry. I hope she doesn't use pins. :halo:
Johnboy
Johnboy, the pins I will leave to our Australian expert!
Hannie
OUCH!!!!! :wow:
OUCH!!!! :wow:
So,what's not to like...
OUCH!!! :wow:
...about that idea?
OUCH!!! :wow:
Properly resampled...
OUCH!!!! :wow:
...there would be very little (if any) pixelation...
OUCH!!!! :wow:
...and the lower section that would be gone doesn't bring much to the party 'cause there's nothing recognizable to start with.
No pins, Hannie, PLEEEEEEEZE!
(http://i381.photobucket.com/albums/oo258/Cyberwretch/BehymerL2_02_30x40CROP.jpg)
How do I go about getting an anonymous profile?
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Holy guacamole guys,
The violence, the critters (I live in Florida, so I chased that dang thing for a while before I realized it wasn't one of my "pets." Thanks, Terry!), the humanity!
And Hannie! You've exceeded all my expectations in the brutality department. You're becoming your avatar.
Phil, I've looked and looked and looked at this young guy, and I think he's wearing heavy sweat pants, which makes him appear to have something thick in his lap (well, I guess if that's the case, technically he does.) He's either sitting or kneeling with his right leg bent to allow his foot to be directly under him and also bent, and the other leg is extended from the knee, so that foot is flat on the ground and further to the front. I think the thing to do is follow the shape that can be seen, interpolate between the lines, and you'll get the pants.
Conversely, the shoes look weird, and the background is missing at the bottom, so poor abused Terry may be right about the best technique being to crop. (Oh boy, I can feel the whip!)
I'm interested in the type of damage we're seeing here. This grouping seems to have a lot of similar muck, and it can't be seen through as so much of the other goop can. Does anyone know what it is and why it's so opaque?
I'm going to rush off to work to avoid Hannie the Hun and her instruments of torment! Have a great day, all.
GK
This is my interpretation:
(http://i195.photobucket.com/albums/z298/schen_album/BehymerL2_02_30x40copy.jpg)
I agree with Shujen's interpretation. No isn't there is much left to work with, but I think where Shujen has outline the pants a darken area to show pants (probably sweat pants) and the the rest of the area can have the texture and color of the wood--under the window maybe the really only good place for texture and color.
Terry, you are such a wimp. ;D I would like to see the photo without the crop, but might change my mind if we could see one without and one with. The reason I find a closer crop on this a little different is the way he is positioned, but it might work. What do the rest of you think. Also what size would that reduce the photo down to with a crop and what was the original size? My feeling is that I would like to see it not cropped if you can.
Margie
Terry, if you have a digital camera and can find a sucker young enough to get into that position you could make yourself a reference photo, then you can see the angles of legs and folds in clothing that would occur. It should also answer if somebody can sit in that position and just have their arms on their legs or if they would have to be leaning on another object.
Whatever, have fun! ;D
Max
I was probably over reacting a little to your suggestion to crop, so sorry about that Terry! (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/pinocchio1.gif)
Margie has a good point there, I would also like to see no cropping if at all possible. The log cabin in the back may be of importance to the owner of the photo and with a crop there would not be much of it left.
Maybe these images can help a little with the bottom part of the restore!
Hannie
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/goku-crouched1.jpg) (http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/stock-photo-one-handsome-young-man-.jpg)
Ok, I like Shen's suggestion and I guess now is the time to run with it. Thanks for your help.
Just after I posted this I saw that Hannai posted her photos showing guys in somewhat the same position. That saves me some time. For some of these toughies I will frequently take shots of myself. What works for me is my HD video camera which takes HD frames so I can select one of the frames that most closely resembles what I am trying to work with. Since the camera has a nice reversible LCD screen and remote zooming etc I can approach with the video camera the position, and focal length of what I am trying to reproduce. I then can copy the individual frame and use that as a template of sorts.
I suspect most of you do that but I believe I am good to go now.
:)
Well I used schen's and glennab's suggestion about the sweat pants and ran with that. Here is where I am now.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/Operation%20Photo%20Rescue/5.jpg)
Hi Phil,
You have done a great job with this one. The one thing that I would change is the guy's shoes. The perspective doesn't look right and the one furthest back looks too small for the guy's size--even though it is further back. I know that you don't have much to go on, but in the original he is sitting and in your final he is supported on his own two feet. I would also use the original running shoes. The shoe on your right in the original is in really good condition and should be used and not replaced. To me it doesn't look like his toe is pointed up, but rather the black part of the running shoes seems to curve up and is black--his foot appears to be flat on the ground. The other foot you see only a portion and it is resting on something--part of seat, bleacher which you can only guess.
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z10/hayesbucket/compare_sit2.jpg)
Margie
Thanks Margie. The perspective between the two shoes did have me flummoxed some. I appreciate your input. I'll post a revision soon.
Great job so far Phil!
I agree with Margie on the shoes, not easy to clean up though.
I used the warp tool to raise his left knee just a little bit.
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Hannie
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/knees.jpg)
The rear shoe is there. Try this.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/shoe.png)
Interesting Idea Kiska. I was able to replicate what you did, but I think that the sole of his left foot is not black and his left foot is flat on the ground like Margie suggested. By looking at the shoe laces I don't think its likely that the toe of his left shoe is elevated. So what I did was use the elements of his left shoe to make it appear that his foot was flat on the ground and I assumed that the sole part that looked black was artifact. I think his right foot is more problematic. The Proportions and the position suggests to me that his right foot is pointed toward his right some and his left toe is not pointing to the camera. Its cocked up on some object like Margie suggested.
There is a significant amount of foreshortening in the photo. The foreground is really large and prominent.
Enclosed is the latest.
(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/Operation%20Photo%20Rescue/6.jpg)
Here are a couple of examples of shoe style I think he has on.
(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/Picture3-3.png)
I think Kiska is right about the sport shoes, that model was very popular for a while.
Hannie
I agree that this looks like what Kiska has posted.
Margie
I'll run with the black soled sports shoes. Thanks everybody. Hannie, Margie, Lurch, TerryB, JohnBoy, glennnab, & shen. I think this bird is about ready to fly.