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Title: What to do with this background
Post by: philbach on May 29, 2009, 01:13:29 PM
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Hi, I am working on this photo at present and do not have a major problem with the subject, but the background pesters me some.  What to do with it.  The color is pretty well messed up but it looks like the subject is on the second floor in front of a window.  In the background may be a driveway and some trees that may be autumn.  Just wondering what you think about this background and what I should do.  Thanks
Phil[(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/OPR1.jpg)img][/img]
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: Mhayes on May 29, 2009, 02:05:59 PM
Hi Phil,

I think this might be a studio with a background of trees behind. What looks at first like a window is probably the imprint of the frame the picture was in. If you look at the lower left hand side, you will see the framing. You may have to do this as a black/white or at the very least do the background that way, since there is nothing to recover on the color.

Margie
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: glennab on May 29, 2009, 02:12:16 PM
Hi Phil

My first impression is that he's either sitting outside or in a studio with an outdoor fall backdrop.  The white band behind him reminds me more of a fence than a driveway, but there's so little shading and perspective that I'm not certain.  The fence would make more sense if he were sitting in front of a backdrop.  If all else fails, follow the shades and shapes as best you can and don't wear yourself out trying to figure out exactly what's there.  Sometimes when you do that, the background will eventually become more discernible.  If not, it IS background and secondary, and fortunately the gentleman is relatively clear.

Good luck!

GK
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: philbach on May 29, 2009, 02:19:34 PM
Thanks for your suggestions.  I'll press on.  I'll post again when I get a little farther with this.
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: philbach on May 29, 2009, 04:53:09 PM
Well I put in a background and blurred it and muted it.  I think its fairly close to the original.  Before I submit this are there any suggestions?[(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/OPR3.jpg)img][/img]
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: Johnboy on May 29, 2009, 06:51:11 PM
Phil,

I would move the background more to the right so the vine is not growing out of his ear. It would also give the man more separation from the background at that point. Otherwise it looks good.

Johnboy
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: woliver1 on May 29, 2009, 11:27:36 PM
Phil,
Looking good.  You may play with the color & sat of the background in an attempt to bring more focus to the foreground.  Maybe a tad more blurring also.  At present, it looks a tad bit "painted on".  Otherwise, you have certainly done well with the gentleman.
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: Hannie on May 30, 2009, 04:13:57 AM
Hi Phil,

What a great clean up, this photo is covered with white dots all over!
When you look at the red channel there is a good part of detail left for the man's face and background.  It means a lot of cloning, (I did part of the left background and his mouth on the red channel image) but it can be done.  No matter how careful we are, a replaced background always makes the photo look funny.

Hannie

               (red channel + original with levels adjustment)
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/red-2.jpg)
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on May 30, 2009, 07:37:56 AM
It's a tough one Phil. I ajusted the original for colour, took the saturation down on the orange stain, resampled the colour around it and then blurred it quite heavily using your restore of the man.
Just another thought as its only a very rough try?

(http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v11/tessc/blurred.jpg)
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: kiska on May 30, 2009, 08:05:33 AM
NICE background, Tess.
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: philbach on May 30, 2009, 08:09:56 AM
Well thanks for your help.  After reading your comments, I'll use the original background.  Using the red channel on the background does eliminate the brownish picture frame stain around the background. 
Title: Re: What to do with this background
Post by: philbach on May 30, 2009, 09:20:34 AM
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Well I went back to the original background and used the red channel to help remove the frame artifact and used Tess's technique.  Here is the final (I think). [(http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k270/philbach/OPR6.jpg)img][/img]