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Title: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Atlantis on May 09, 2008, 03:57:54 AM
Repairing the damage was a matter of patiently dabbing the spots and healing the scratches in the paper (carton?). I think I can get rid of most of the noise using neat image.
BUT the problem is I know I should be able to get rid of the magenta/purple, and possibly some yellow blobs as well, in this one. Something with adjustment layers and masking out where I don't need the changes. But somehow I don't get it done right. I have Eismans book on restoring so I tried to find the answer in there (select > colour range) and I read Mary's solution for the Studio Girl. And still it's not working for me. Frustration  :-\ Confusion  :'( where is the missing link in my brain?

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c304/tribemom/before%20and%20after%20OPR/OPR12_800.jpg)

Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 06:33:05 AM
Hi Atlantis,

Don't be too hard on yourself, I think the restoration looks absolutely beautiful.  You managed to make a cold blueish photo looks warm and wonderful.  (The level adjustment shows a much colder picture, I like your version a lot, warm colors.)
One tiny pick in an otherwise great restore, the shadow (or was it damage?) underneath on his legs look a little harsh, almost like sunburn.  Maybe you can lighten them a little?

:hug:

Hannie

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/littleboy-1.jpg)
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Atlantis on May 09, 2008, 07:12:27 AM
That's exactly why I posted  :) it seems there is a circular magenta/purple "vignette" on the left & bottom including part of the legs.
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 07:55:29 AM
ah yes Atlantis, I see what you mean now!  :D
You could use a selective color options adjustment layer and in the red channel lower magenta to -50.  That only makes the purple color a little less but is not really satisfactory. 
I would paint over the affected area or clone (both at a low percentage) from the right color next to the damage because the rest of the photo looks great!

Hannie

PS  I don't know if it was on this forum or if I read it somewhere else, a tut on correcting colors by finding the apposite color and applying that to the stained area, anyone remember that one.....?
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: kiska on May 09, 2008, 07:56:42 AM
Atlantis, try this:

dupe image
change mode to cmyk
adjust-curves

http://www.operationphotorescue.org/forum/index.php/topic,759.msg6666.html#msg6666

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/curves.jpg)


copy/paste cmyk to your image.....then mask it just to improve skin
Follow layers. If you get lost, holler.

(http://i294.photobucket.com/albums/mm81/kiskaopr/layers.jpg)
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 08:01:56 AM
Wow!  :wow:

Kiska, I tried your method but I couldn't get it to work on Atlantis's  restoration.  When I tried it on my version the results were more like your example, which photo did you use?

:loveit:

Hannie
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: kiska on May 09, 2008, 09:20:02 AM
Thanks.

I used her restored version. Don't THINK I left out any steps. I left the cmyk layer in normal mode; sometimes I use color mode.

On the color layer I used the brush at about 30% and built up the color from good stuff around it.
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 10:53:26 AM
Thanks for the update on your method Kiska!  I was thinking in the wrong direction, that somehow the discoloring would as if by magic disappear after doing the curves in CMYK.  This time I used the coloring layer and healing layer to get rid of the discoloring.  It worked fine!

:hug:

Hannie
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: mschonher on May 09, 2008, 11:33:38 AM
Hi Kiska,  I'm intrigued with this method and I've been trying it with no success. When I dupe the background and change it to cmyk it changes both photos.  I know I've missed something along the way.  Could you explain further for me?  I've tried to make my layers palette look like yours but it doesn't.  I'm probably the only one on this forum that doesn't get it!   :-[

Technically Challenged Mary     (relatively speaking of course)
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Atlantis on May 09, 2008, 11:49:31 AM
Well Kiska, you lost me after the "follow layers"part but the good news is that with a lot of creative tweaking, involving several colorlayers & curves set to different blendmodes + opacity, combinations of healing & cloning and finally some tips on how to reduce Rosacea from Katrin Eismann's book all of it combined with masks I managed to come up with this :

(http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c304/tribemom/before%20and%20after%20OPR/OPR12_done.jpg)

I think it's done now  ;).
edited to add: please let me know if you think it's done too   :)

Thanks very much for getting me on the right track  :wnw:
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Atlantis on May 09, 2008, 11:55:20 AM
Quote from: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 07:55:29 AM
PS  I don't know if it was on this forum or if I read it somewhere else, a tut on correcting colors by finding the apposite color and applying that to the stained area, anyone remember that one.....?

I read something like that as well and I tried finding the opposite color but it somehow did not work on this one. I probably picked the wrong colour  :D
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: klassylady25 on May 09, 2008, 12:06:33 PM
You could lasso the color, use your dropper to get the color, do a control "I" to invert, and adjust opacity to your liking. 
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: schen on May 09, 2008, 01:16:22 PM
This is the thread about using opposite color.  I tried it and got various results from different photos.  Technically, the method assumes the average of a good photo is neutral gray.  We know that is not the case all the time.

http://www.operationphotorescue.org/forum/index.php/topic,1412.msg14623.html#msg14623
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 03:03:28 PM
Thanks so much Chen!  At the time I forgot to bookmark this one.  You are right, it doesn't always work but sometimes the results are great so I'm glad you posted the link.

Atlantis, looks like you solved the problem, looking great!

:loveit:

Hannie
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on May 09, 2008, 03:16:10 PM
Quote from: mschonher on May 09, 2008, 11:33:38 AM
Hi Kiska,  I'm intrigued with this method and I've been trying it with no success. When I dupe the background and change it to cmyk it changes both photos.  I know I've missed something along the way.  Could you explain further for me?  I've tried to make my layers palette look like yours but it doesn't.  I'm probably the only one on this forum that doesn't get it!   :-[

Technically Challenged Mary     (relatively speaking of course)


Mary, it may be that you use the menu Layer-> Duplicate Layer, instead you should use Image-> Duplicate.

Hannie
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: kiska on May 09, 2008, 03:47:08 PM
That's right Hannie. You will have 2 copies of the same image on your screen. The original rgb and the second in cmyk. After you do the curves on the cmyk one, select all > copy/paste onto the rgb image.
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: mschonher on May 09, 2008, 06:26:54 PM
(http://i86.photobucket.com/albums/k88/mschonher/OPR12_done.jpg)

Atlantis, you have done a great job on this little guy. I can see the time and attention to detail that you have put into it.  :loveit:  I have 2 suggestions if you're interested. On my monitor I can still see the violet stain on the shirt and shoes. Maybe it's just my monitor. The other idea is to tone down the pants somewhat as my eye goes directly to the pants first. I tried some of the methods that have been mentioned on this thread but none of them worked for me.  I took another painterly approach and it seemed to work quite well, I thought I'd share in hopes it may help someone out there struggling with a similar challenge.   I remembered that many painters, myself included, sometimes start their color mixtures out with a neutral grey value  then add the blue, red, yellow etc. to that. Looking at your photo I noticed the background was very neutral, so I sampled an area I thought looked good.  The numbers of that color are 187, 164 and 148. I have to thank Schen for teaching me how useful this information can be. On a new layer set to color mode and with a soft brush set to 15% I brushed over the shirt, pants and shoes. Then changing the brush to 35% opacity I brushed over the rug and thought it looked pretty good like that.  I gave it a 2,5 Gaussian blur because it evenly distributes the paint over the area. You can adjust the opacity slider if you want and clean up any spillover with an eraser.

Mary
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Atlantis on May 10, 2008, 04:00:07 AM
I know about those parts but I thought I reached my limits and sent it home BUT I did a resent recently on a photo with a muddy rug of which I received another photo just in time to redo that part so I will give your tip a try. /calls Jan : hold on to the little boy a few more hours please!

edited to say : yay this really worked !!! I will frame this golden tip  :loveit: thank you  :hug:
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: mschonher on May 10, 2008, 08:12:48 AM
I am thrilled that this worked for you and thanks for letting me know that it did.  :hug:

I've re-sent so many photos Atlantis. Like you I reach my limit on a photo after I've worked so many days on it, only to be experimenting on it later to find my fix.  After I got my calibration program I re-sent 3 photos to Chris, luckily in time.  I must drive her nuts at times.

I have to tell you that I was working on my recent photo trying to fix a reddish purple cast from the forehead of the young lady.  The color was under her bangs and I tried everything to remove it, but when I used that color, it took that cast away. I had been wondering if the neutral color had to come from the current photo; apparently not.  I have saved that color in my swatches palette for these kinds of discolorations.

Mary
Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Dave on September 28, 2008, 05:13:11 PM
Alluringdeceit,

Near the top of your screean on the left hand side there's a box for Photoshelter that links you to the galleries.

Dave

Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Dave on September 28, 2008, 05:13:35 PM
I should also add that you must be logged in to see it.

Title: Re: I know I should be able to ...
Post by: Hannie on September 28, 2008, 05:50:55 PM
Great to see this topic again, almost forgot about the methods that are mentioned here and they work well.
Really worth a try for anyone having problems with discoloring etc. you have to read this!

Hannie