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Title: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 15, 2007, 10:44:01 PM

This is my latest photo, check it out and give me your thoughts please.


(http://img168.imageshack.us/img168/8559/bxoriginalnj8.jpg)



(http://img211.imageshack.us/img211/1072/bxresthy3.jpg)



Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on September 15, 2007, 11:08:43 PM
 :wnw: Great job so far Max. It seems this whole set of photos has the same reflection problem with texture. ???
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: phischer on September 15, 2007, 11:21:37 PM
I think you've done a real nice job here.  It seems like everyone is dealing with those annoying white dots these days.  I think your version could benefit from a levels adjustment and a tweak of the color balance.
(http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/8445/formaxaz6.jpg) (http://imageshack.us)
I also added a layer on top containing a copy of a flattened version which I played around with the shadow/highlight tool and then set the layer to luminosity. This showed a bit more detail especially in her dress.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: rockthumper on September 16, 2007, 12:09:32 AM
That's looking great  :wow: Stunning job, both of you. :up2:
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ratz on September 16, 2007, 02:45:20 AM
Great job once again Max :up:
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Hannie on September 16, 2007, 04:32:31 AM
Max, that looks so good!  Great job!  :up2:
Phil, that luminosity trick works really well!

Hannie
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: glennab on September 16, 2007, 12:28:55 PM
Hi Max

Stellar job! How did you eliminate the dots?

I have only a couple of picks.  The floor to our right has a magenta cast that doesn't match the rest. I think the older woman's face could use some smoothing and contouring and the wall behind her a bit more consistency in color and texture.  There are areas that are lighter than the rest of the background. (This is more evident in Phil's adjusted version, which I think improves the color.)

The bride looks wonderful!

Cheers,

Glenna


Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 17, 2007, 07:56:44 AM
Hi folks,

Thanks for your comments and suggestions, Have done a bit more cleaning up and final colour correction and I think this is pretty much what will be going home. I haven't lightened the background as I think it detracts focal interest from the people, and I believe that they colour correct to suit the printing process.

(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/661/bxr2yt2.jpg)



Glenna, through most of the image the spots were removed one by one with the healing tool and clone stamp, I didn't want to use any global solution as they all tend to degrade the quality of the image and I didn't want to loose the detail in the bridal dress and veil.

On the stone wall I painted the stones and cleaned up the mortar with the healing tool and a bit of painting.


This is my next problem, and is it a doozy, think I will have to try some global fixes on this one, the white spot population is just too great.



(http://img179.imageshack.us/img179/9131/bx2originalqy3.jpg)


Max


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Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: kiska on September 17, 2007, 08:07:35 AM
Here's an option.

http://upload.pbase.com/image/85737798 (http://upload.pbase.com/image/85737798)

(http://i.pbase.com/o6/93/579993/1/85737798.HdxoMNgc.maxlatest.jpg)
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 17, 2007, 08:22:20 AM
 Thanks Kiska, only trouble I find if I try to push it much further the faces start to posterise.


Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on September 17, 2007, 08:25:01 AM
At least you have a great pic of the bride to get her dress and the bouquet right in the next one Max.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: kiska on September 17, 2007, 08:29:27 AM
QuoteThanks Kiska, only trouble I find if I try to push it much further the faces start to posterise.


FILTER>NOISE>DESPECKLE might help.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: schen on September 17, 2007, 10:24:44 AM
I got one of the same batch.  The white spots are so intense that if I de-speckled too much, I lost the texture of everything.  If I used FFT filter, by the time the white spots were gone, the black spots appeared at the complementary area that did not have much white spots.

I am resorting to one-by-one healing brush.  It worked well but very time consuming.

Max, could we trade the hi-res photo.  It looked like I may use the bottom of the wedding dress.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: glennab on September 17, 2007, 02:59:29 PM
Holy Smoke, Max

You have another doozie to keep you busy!  I've found the same thing that you have; any global changes to rid a photo of debris is too degrading to the image.  I'm still hunting through my books and am in the middle of an Adobe Total Training Photoshop CS2 course, to be followed by an advanced CS2 course.  I'm hoping that Deke (McClelland) has some miraculous technique that'll alleviate the tedium of ridding these images of spots one-by-one.  Keep your fingers crossed.  (I've crossed my eyes!)

By the way, your tweaks on the first photo look much better.  I wouldn't get too wrapped up in general color correction because our printer takes care of that based on their output specs.

Hugs!

Glenna
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 17, 2007, 11:46:30 PM
Hi Folks,


Thanks for your help and comments, Glenna I think if you hope to find a quick fix for these problems you probably also believe in the tooth fairy, I stick with Father Christmas he sometimes delivers. :funny:

Yeah, the next one will have me seeing the odd spot before the eyes for a while.

schen, have sent you a PM re the dress.

Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Mhayes on September 18, 2007, 02:49:51 AM
 Max,

You are funny! I have a feeling that you are right about no easy fix. I tried going into LAB and doing a surface blur on all the channels, which made it lose too much definition. The only thing I ended up doing was going to the healing brush and sampling the colors as I went along--boy will that take a while!

I noticed that there are a lot of these pictures coming out with the white dots, which I take it, must be a problem with the pictures being a matte finish? Today I was practicing getting my copy stand ready and taking pictures of different types of photos and found out real quick that the matte finish is the pits! On one of my pictures, I could do the surface blur with some success but I was only having the problem of the pattern (and dust) not the white dots. I'm wondering if there is any way before the photo is copied to lift off whatever has settled into the paper. I was looking for solutions on the Web and I came across one site suggesting putting a glass over the photo, but I would think that would create another problem with the glare.

Long story short--I'm no help!

Margie
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 18, 2007, 02:58:04 AM
 
I think this is about as good as it is going to get, still a lot of spots and streaks on the dress and coat but I don't think they will be to noticeable at print size, I think this is one of those times it is better not to over-restore,

I used a global solution, got rid of all the white dots on the dark colours with the Dust & Scratches filter, left a little bit of texture to be smoothed out but very little work actually.


(http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/4097/bxr2restgw3.jpg)


Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on September 18, 2007, 03:12:40 AM
I don't think you could get it much better than that Max. :up2: It's a whole lot better than what they had.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Hannie on September 18, 2007, 05:25:41 AM
Max, you did a great job on those white dots!  What you did also made the couple "stand out" more, looks much better.

Hannie
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: glennab on September 18, 2007, 08:49:08 AM
Hi Max

The couple looks really good!  (do I hear the faint flutter of tiny translucent wings?)  How in the world do you get these done so quickly?  You're beyond amazing!

Hugs!

Glenna
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 18, 2007, 09:13:46 AM
Hi Glenna,

Surprised myself with the last one, it was so bad that I began to despair, I knew I would have to tackle the damage/white spots/streaks globally, so I started playing around trying different things, ran the de-interlacing filter on it about 6 times and that didn't help then I tried the Dust & Scratches filter and it cleaned up the dark areas like magic.

It ended up only taking a couple of hours to finish, where on the other one I spent at least 20 hours picking off spots.

Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Johnboy on September 20, 2007, 12:57:20 AM
Max I think what you are seeing in your photos is a linen type photo surface with a luster finish. If you look at the reflection pattern you can pick out a linen type appearance. The luster finish is almost the same as a glossy finish. It makes the original photos look great but for our work it sends you crazy.  :wow: Some of this may be able to be corrected by putting polarizing filters over the lights and camera lens. Margie, this is what I was referring to in my post about your set up.

Johnboy
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Hannie on September 20, 2007, 05:39:32 AM
To get rid of texture reflection it also helps to copy the photo twice: the second time rotated at 180%.  During restoration you can then merge those 2 images together.
Of course that is s.t. that would have to be done during the copy run.  I'm afraid the folks doing the copying already have too much to do as it is....

Hannie
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 25, 2007, 09:50:29 AM
The latest disaster, I can't really decide if this was colour or BW so I compromised and tried both, in real life it has a herringbone sort of pattern all over it, couldn't find any way to eliminate it and still have any detail remaining.

The blue channel had the least damaged so I worked with it.



(http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/8836/cdoriginalwa6.jpg)

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/47/cdbwbi4.jpg)

(http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/1899/cdcolourkr3.jpg)

Your thoughts would be welcome.


Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: kiska on September 25, 2007, 09:53:27 AM
Lookin' good Max. I would go with the BW, I think.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: glennab on September 25, 2007, 10:03:50 AM
Hi Max

Great job -- I'd turn in both.  My one pick is that I think the bottom of her dress has a straight hem, rather than being wrapped and longer in the front.  I'm saying that because the little of the hem that can be seen to our left and the part beyond the damage to the right appears to be about at floor level.

From what I can tell, little of the texture remains, and what's there is barely discernible.  Not enough to distract from the wonderful restoration you've done.

Hugs!

Glenna
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Hannie on September 25, 2007, 10:12:14 AM
They both look great Max, you did a wonderful job, wish I could work that fast!
I agree with Glenna on the bottom of the dress, that would the icing on the cake!

Hannie
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: rockthumper on September 25, 2007, 10:49:04 AM
Top work AusiMax.  :up:
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ratz on September 25, 2007, 05:33:02 PM
Beautiful, beautiful work again Max :up:
You are the greatest. They are going to be so happy to get these back.
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on September 25, 2007, 07:29:28 PM
Great job Max. I'd soften that box thing in the background a little so it doesnt take away from the beautiful job on the Bride. :up:
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: klassylady25 on September 26, 2007, 12:08:35 AM
Have you ever considered that there isn't a "box thing" behind the punch bowl, but mearly a portion of the wall at the church?

Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Hannie on September 26, 2007, 02:49:47 AM
Candice may be right, I had a quick look at the other photos left in the gallery and there the "box" seems to extend a bit more to the right? 

Hannie

(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/wall.jpg)
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 26, 2007, 08:10:56 AM
Hi Folk,

Thanks for your help and comments, Glenna nice pick on the hem, I followed a shadow line down through the damage and thought it was some sort of train - didn't even pick up on the fact of a short veil, duh!, shows I haven't much wedding dress sense. :-[

Candy, didn't have a clue what the white thingy was, just seemed a rather regular shape so I kept it to break up the background a bit, you are right I can see what it is now in the photo Hannie posted, thanks Hannie, the white thingy appears to be mainly light flare off the wall, I may loose it altogether rather than trying to recreate the wall, I don't think it adds anything to the photo.

This just goes to show the value of the peer review system, the seemingly obvious things you miss or misconstrue, and once you have decided that something is this or that, you move on and and never look at it in any different way.

Back to the drawing board - thanks all.

Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Ausimax on September 27, 2007, 08:48:31 AM
 
This is the latest rework.



(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Ausimax/Reworked/CD_006.jpg)


And this is my next photo.

(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Ausimax/Reworked/CSoriginal.jpg)




(http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e103/Ausimax/Reworked/CS03.jpg)


Your thoughts on these please.

Max
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: schen on September 27, 2007, 09:16:29 AM
 :up: Great job on the golfer and the golf course.

One question: how did the sky get worse?
Title: Re: My Latest
Post by: Tess (Tassie D) on September 27, 2007, 07:12:27 PM
Thats coming along great Max. :up: