Where do I start? That was the first thing I thought when I saw this. Anyway,
I've done a lot of experimenting due to the tremendous variations in the damage. Most is all out on its own layer and the file size is approaching 200mb. So with a little input I can start finalizing and merging cuz its really taxing the computer.
I've run this through every channel of every mode and found nothing to help with anything in the pic. Its hopelessly sad that there isn't a definitive clue as to what his face looks like. I keep thinking that I see a white mustache and the corner of his mouth, but even if I do, then what? I wonder if she has a picture anywhere that would give me some idea as to what he looked like.
Also, there are 4 people on the lawn about 1/3 the way down on the right side. I have them in another doc at 1200 dpi trying to fix them there. I just covered them with grass for now though so I wouldn't always be seeing them.
heres the pics.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/Pelican00007/Preble-1.jpg)
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/Pelican00007/PrebleJwip800.jpg)
This is typical of the damage everywhere in the picture. These are those 4 people on the lawn.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/Pelican00007/prebble-people.jpg)
What does one do with this? I'll be curious to know what our illustrious leaders have to say.
Hi Pelican, I just want to tell you that you are doing a phenomenal job on this incredibly difficult restore. You are a hero for taking on a photo with very little information on the faces. I think I see a big smile on his face when I look at it from a distance, but when I got in close I couldn't make out much at all. As for the people in the background, I can't imagine even trying to restore them. I can't wait to see it finished.....good luck.
Mary
My 2 cents worth is that this picture is too far gone to restore. Pelican you have done a beautiful job on what you could restore! There is the option of restoring what you can and leaving the rest, but it would look strange.
Margie
Margie, I couldn't agree with you more. This is a photo that shouldn't have been accepted in the first place. Having been one of the people collecting photos in Biloxi, I know how painful it is to turn down someone's "only photo of (fill in the blank)" but I discovered that when I explained to them that there was no way for even the very best restorer to pull something from an unrecognizable blob, they were graciously accepting. I specifically remember one dear lady who begged that we do a number of photos that were too far gone. I asked her if she'd be happy to receive something or someone totally different from the original, because even our gurus can't make something of nothing (well, we do have a few that come pretty close, but all that effort could be better spent on truly restorable shots). She put those photos away. It hurt like hell to have to say no to anyone, but we have to be realistic so what we did in Biloxi was triage. And even I wasn't able to say no every time. I accepted a few that were iffy.
Pelican man, you did a fine job on an impossible image. I don't think anyone could ask for more.
Bless
Glenna
There's just nothing to be found. I can make out an eye, the neck, and what I think is a hat... but past that it's all guess work. I love what you've done so far!!
Believe it or not, this thread is making me feel much better about the picture. I guess that somehow knowing that your not just sitting in front of your monitor alone with somebody's expectations and hopes at your finger tips is breaking the block. I think I can finish this now. I can't give him a discernable face, but I can clean up the mess. Truth is, I have too much dedicated in this to just stop. Its been a sweet challenge.
You folks are great! Thank you! :)
Curtis
Hi Pelican,
I may throw a spanner in the works, but I think the person without a face looks like a lady!. To me it's the legs and arms, and perhaps the stance.
I applaud what you have done so far, but I would refrain from giving a face that has never existed.
I also think, the people who sent the photo will get their memories from what you have done already, as it looks like the little girl is the main subject, but who knows?
Doug.
Quote from: DougB on March 14, 2008, 03:31:34 AM
Hi Pelican,
I may throw a spanner in the works, but I think the person without a face looks like a lady!. To me it's the legs and arms, and perhaps the stance.
I applaud what you have done so far, but I would refrain from giving a face that has never existed.
I also think, the people who sent the photo will get their memories from what you have done already, as it looks like the little girl is the main subject, but who knows?
Doug.
But alas, the face did exist and I didn't say I was going to replace it. I said I was going to clean up the mess. No offense...I understand exactly what you're saying.
Hi Pelican,
You are a hero, I checked this one out in the gallery and decided it needed somebody with more skill and/or imagination than me.
I tend to agree with DougB that it may be a woman, not that that helps much, unless you were going to cut in Tom Hanks head. :funny:
Not a lot more you can do with it, the same as the spectators, not enough info there to replace them.
It always amazes me the quality of restoration on so many of these photos, when the restorer is only working with data they can find in the photo, I wonder how they would turn out with input from the owners as you would get if you were doing this for dough?
Great work on an impossible image, :up2:
Max
Its either a woman or a man with very shapely legs. ;) I agree with everyone on the great job you've done. :up: Its frustrating to get to this point and have to leave a blob in the middle.
I think it's definitely a woman with MAYBE a skirt on. Back then I don't think they had cropped pants. I feel SURE a man wouldn't wear them.............except maybe John. :funny:
Maybe a famous lady golfer since she's 'drawn a small crowd' ???
I also think its a woman (bracelet?) in askirt because you can discern the fabric folds which would rule out pants. Her shirt appears it may have a slightly low cut neckline. Good luck on this one I do know how you feel, Been there LOL.
Jane
There appears to be no way to discern the face except to stand back and try to sketch and then try to see if you can find those pickles uh I mean pixels . She looks like the transporter malfunctioned when they tried to beam her up.
(sorry too much coffee)
Lappy, stay away from the caffeine! LOL ;D
Lappy, stay away from the caffeine! LOL
The golfer is a woman, and she was a pro-golfer that was known by the photo owner. Pelican, I think you have the reference materials to go with this photo. I can't remember the golfer's name, but I wonder if you Googled her and found some more photos of her to look at. Of course, I'm not sure how old this photo is, or how old the golfer is in the photo.
I specifically remember taking this photo in, because the woman met with me first, with all of these reference photos. And, it's the only photo she brought us to be restored. The photo owner was/is also a golfer, and this was obviously a very significant photo to her.
I'm not sure if this helps or not. When we take these photos in, we tell the owners "we will do our best", but sometimes..........there is just too much damage. I hope you can pull something out of the muck, but I will understand, as will the photo owner, if you cannot.
Thanks!
Christine
That does help a lot. I think I got more out of some of the articles written about her passing this last year than I did from the few pictures I've found. Its enough to give me something to go by though. I'm off to chop. :)
I've searched and searched and there is only one picture of Patty Berg (her instructor) on the internet that will even fit in this picture. I've plunked it in to see and I wonder if it will work......Cuz otherwise, I fear the picture is a loss. :'(
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/Pelican00007/PrebleJ800.jpg)
Pelican,
I think your research and effort on this photo is wonderful. I can't imagine it being done any better. I remember so well the owner of this photo talking to me, and having reference photos that would not offer a whole lot of help. I truly don't know what else we could do, other than what you have done. Based on what you have posted, it looks perfect. Whether this is exactly what the pro-golfer looked like at the time we may never know. However, we (you) will know that you did your best.
I know this photo was a struggle. Thanks for all of your time and efforts to make it right!
Christine
Geeze! Nice work Pelican. :up2:
Great work Pelican, the face seems to fit very well. :up: Don't know if you saw these younger ones of her here? http://www.historicgolfphotos.com/?module=photo&action=ViewPhotoListByKwdInCategory&categoryid=&kwd=patty%20berg&startcurrentpage=1
Thanks Chris, that means a lot and is kind of a relief!
As for research...lol. She was 5'2 and tended to be a bit overweight due to thyroid problems. She started playing golf when she was 14 and by the time she was 17 was winning major matches. She was in a car accident that almost took her out of the game and she was out for 18 mos but returned against the odds. She pretty much founded the LPGA and went on to win 57 professional tournaments. She was sponsored by sports brand name Wilson and traveled the country doing golf clinics where she was loved and revered for her magnetic personality and neverending sense of humor. She was the cornerstone of womens golf throughout her life. She passed away a few short years ago of Alzheimer's.
Thanks Tassie, I can't get your link to work but I did find a lot of pictures of her. The small pic I found very interesting and useful was this one where she's wearing the same outfit. I wish I could have found a proper cap for though.
(http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s108/Pelican00007/11berg190.gif)
http://www.mndaily.com/articles/2006/09/13/68930
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/news/story?id=2581825&campaign=rss&source=ESPNHeadlines
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/golf/lpga/2006-09-10-berg-obit_x.htm
http://www.lpga.com/content/photos/Berg-poseResized.jpg
http://content-golf.live.advance.net/images/gfw200611/berg1.jpg
http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/61697/Patty-Berg# - you might find this one interesting! Click on the smaller to get the larger.
http://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view?back=http%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fsearch%2Fimages%3Fp%3Dpatty%2Bberg%26ni%3D21%26ei%3DUTF-8%26fr%3Dyfp-t-501%26xargs%3D0%26pstart%3D1%26b%3D64&w=560&h=450&imgurl=www.historicgolf.com%2Fimages%2Fphotos%2Fwatermarked%2F0501-4012.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.historicgolf.com%2Fpage_photo.cfm%3Fphotoid%3D6025&size=46.9kB&name=0501-4012.jpg&p=patty%20berg&type=JPG&oid=932cdb76d31fe6e8&no=73&tt=442
Look under golfers. Then "berg". You might find what you're looking for there in the link just above this note. :up2:
I just had to try some of the links that Candy just posted, hope you don't mind!
The wrong lighting gives it a cartoonish look doesn't it though!
Chris is right, you have really done more than you can expect from a photo that has as little details as this one. It should go home!
:up2:
Hannie
(http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb18/marijtje2/OPR/patti.jpg)
Curtis, this looks amazing! She is looking right at the little girl! It's perfect and you put so much effort and love into this photo. Congratulations on an outstanding job.
Mary
Curtis, whoda thunk this mess could be repaired and become the masterpiece it is. Quite frankly, I think this reinforces the fact that you're a keeper!
Cheers,
Glenna
Curtis,
That face looks so good in the restored photo. Your persistence really paid.
Thanks so much everyone. This picture was so difficult and it still needs some touchup before its ready for print, but this was what I needed to know. it'll be going home in the next day or two.
and I'm not going to miss it!!!
Thank you all,
C