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Title: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: capriccio on July 01, 2006, 07:56:58 PM
Posting a work in progress. What I need is feedback on the arm and blanket. I had to draw them from scratch, pretty much.  Is it going in the right direction as far as looking photorealistic? I plan to add noise and do a soft focus blur on the outer edges when the arm is done, so if it looks a little cut & paste now, that will be fixed. Does the coloring and lighting look "right"?

I know it's hard to tell from the before, even at 800px wide, but there were very faint outlines for the fingers and elbow area, so I *think* I got those alright.

(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6704/testing1before3ng.jpg)

(http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/3561/testing1halfdone5lw.jpg)

Oh, and by the way, all those cute little freckles aren't freckles, LOL. I was actually relieved to discover they were water damage. Easier to fix them all to smooth than worry about making a separate mask or layer just for the freckles!
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Veronica on July 01, 2006, 08:11:42 PM
What a beautiful image!  You did great. :up:
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: chazcron on July 01, 2006, 10:21:59 PM
The coloring and lighting look right, the anatomy does not. Perhaps really blurring it back would disguise it.  I'd suggest making that excellently retouched blanket extend to casually drape over the fingers in question.

Excellent progress so far, capriccio.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: capriccio on July 01, 2006, 11:11:01 PM
Quote from: chazcron on July 01, 2006, 10:21:59 PM
The coloring and lighting look right, the anatomy does not. Perhaps really blurring it back would disguise it.  I'd suggest making that excellently retouched blanket extend to casually drape over the fingers in question.

Excellent progress so far, capriccio.

Thanks for the feedback! What about it isn't jibing for you? I was concerned that the fingers looked a little too plump or the whole hand was a bit too big. Do you think it could be salvaged by further tweaking?

Thanks for the comment on the blanket - that was just about 100% scratch work, there! Not a thing left to clone or copy.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: capriccio on July 02, 2006, 06:08:22 AM
Here's the nearly finalized product. Just want to get more opinions before I upload it at Photoshelter. Thanks!

(http://img124.imageshack.us/img124/743/dupont1364x6finalweb3hj.jpg)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Ptollemy on July 02, 2006, 06:40:56 AM
(http://ptollemy.tripod.com/temp/dupontcopy.jpg)

Hi. Overall, great job! :)   I'm just a novice at all this but my feedback would be to add a small "dip" where the wrist is narrows from the hand.

Hope this helps,
kind regards
Ptollemy
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Mark Wilson on July 02, 2006, 07:09:09 AM
Cappricio, you've done a lovely job on this. The blanket is fantastic. The wrist does look a bit 'lumpy', even though the shape is carried over from the original.

The only, really small, thing I would say about the fingers is that you might adjust the colours to be closer to the skin colours in the elbow area. The girl is very pale skinned, but the hand, even if if is in a bit of shadow shouldn't be that dark.

Overall though, great work.

-Mark.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: idyllopus on July 02, 2006, 08:10:58 AM
You've done an exquisite job on the faces of these two children.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2006, 11:42:15 PM
It's a miraculous restoration, but I have to agree with Chazcron that the anatomy of the arm is off. Besides the color of the fingers and the lump along the wrist, the overall length of the girl's arm seems distorted. I think the idea of disguising it with the blanket is the better option than trying to redraw it (my opinion ... doesn't really amount to much ... just ask my wife).

Other than that, I'm glad that you're here. You belong.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Dave on July 02, 2006, 11:45:03 PM
I had a total of 4 cents to add ... you may want to even consider cropping up to just below the baby's fingers. That will remove much of the damage along the girl's arm and still maintain the integrity of the image.

Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: capriccio on July 03, 2006, 12:25:18 AM
Thanks everyone! You know how you look at an image for so long, you can't see what's weird about it? I see the dstortion, but couldn't reconcile how it appears in the original with reality. So I did a combination of the suggestions. I cropped about 1/4 way down the arm, and covered the hand with the blanket. I hope it looks passable. I actually prefer the compostion of the new crop - it puts the girl's face dead center in the picture.

(http://img312.imageshack.us/img312/5677/dupont1364x6finalweb24cy.jpg)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: nate on July 03, 2006, 12:35:34 AM
That looks great, the crop works very well. I was just about to post that I found finger definitions in the blue channel. I posted a gif below to quickly show.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: capriccio on July 03, 2006, 12:41:17 AM
Quote from: nate on July 03, 2006, 12:35:34 AM
That looks great, the crop works very well. I was just about to post that I found finger definitions in the blue channel. I posted a gif below to quickly show.

Thanks for finding that. It's the same placement I saw. But when I placed the hand in that position, the forearm was strangely elongated. Unless I had the bend of the elbow in the wrong place? Oh well. now that it's cropped (and uploaded at Photoshelter :) ) I think I do prefer the cropped version. It puts more focus on the faces and not the awkwardness of the rebuilt hand.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: John on July 03, 2006, 12:45:12 AM
I agree, with the hand cropped out, the most important part of the photo gets all of the attention.   :up:
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Ptollemy on July 03, 2006, 08:56:10 AM
Wow, excellent job, well done!  :up:
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: John on July 03, 2006, 09:26:51 AM
And I have to ask this just as a sanity check... are you sure those aren't freckles on the original vs. damage?

I can't really tell on the lo-res version, but it looks like they could be.

Just asking.  :)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Rob Accomando on July 03, 2006, 10:30:51 AM
It looks like the plastic covering stuck to her face created small air pockets.

Looks great now.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: John on July 03, 2006, 11:36:42 AM
Quote from: Rob Accomando on July 03, 2006, 10:30:51 AM
It looks like the plastic covering stuck to her face created small air pockets.

Looks great now.

It does, indeed!
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: capriccio on July 03, 2006, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: siteadmin on July 03, 2006, 09:26:51 AM
And I have to ask this just as a sanity check... are you sure those aren't freckles on the original vs. damage?

I can't really tell on the lo-res version, but it looks like they could be.

Just asking.  :)

I know - I agonized over that. The spots only appear on the discolored patch (the lighter part sharply marked on her face) and are pretty spread pretty evenly all over that patch. There aren't any spots or "freckles" anywhere outside that patch. Plus a lot of those spots inside the patch are pretty big for a 2 or 3 year old girl. I'm pretty sure they aren't freckles. :)

(Just also adding, I come from a long line of blonde haired/blue eyed girls raised in the sunny south. The only freckles I've ever seen like those were on kids with red hair, not blonde.)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: John on July 03, 2006, 12:03:19 PM
Quote from: capriccio on July 03, 2006, 11:51:13 AM
Quote from: siteadmin on July 03, 2006, 09:26:51 AM
And I have to ask this just as a sanity check... are you sure those aren't freckles on the original vs. damage?

I can't really tell on the lo-res version, but it looks like they could be.

Just asking.  :)

I know - I agonized over that. The spots only appear on the discolored patch (the lighter part sharply marked on her face) and are pretty spread pretty evenly all over that patch. There aren't any spots or "freckles" anywhere outside that patch. Plus a lot of those spots inside the patch are pretty big for a 2 or 3 year old girl. I'm pretty sure they aren't freckles. :)

(Just also adding, I come from a long line of blonde haired/blue eyed girls raised in the sunny south. The only freckles I've ever seen like those were on kids with red hair, not blonde.)

and as a single male with no children, I'll defer to your expertise!  ;D

Seriously, though, nice job on this one.  It looks great.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: chazcron on July 04, 2006, 02:21:26 PM
Nice teamwork people. Really nice finished product, Cap!
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop
Post by: Ziaphra on July 05, 2006, 02:35:55 PM
This is excellent work capriccio! :)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/9/06
Post by: capriccio on July 09, 2006, 08:32:09 PM
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/7190/pisciottaweb05uq.jpg)
(http://img451.imageshack.us/img451/2770/pisciottaweb17yo.jpg)
There wasn't much background information to work with, but I tried to bring out the details in the pews and people in the background.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/9/06
Post by: capriccio on July 09, 2006, 10:35:49 PM
(http://img99.imageshack.us/img99/8168/pisciotta1web02uq.jpg)
(http://img446.imageshack.us/img446/2207/pisciotta1web19nm.jpg)
I used the nose and mouth from the previous photo (same wedding). This was time consuming! Took me about 10 hours, on and off, over the past week. Whew!
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/9/06
Post by: pcraft on July 09, 2006, 10:49:03 PM
I know how time consuming this work can be Capriccio...  I've put in about the same amount of time on the last photo I got and it seems I still have another 4 or 5 hours work to do on it...  lol

Great work by the way!!!    :up:
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/9/06
Post by: capriccio on July 13, 2006, 01:06:54 AM
(http://img90.imageshack.us/img90/5508/dupont8orig8hv.jpg)

(http://img45.imageshack.us/img45/3001/dupont8web5hk.jpg)

FYI, these girls are the same as the ones in the pic in the first post of this thread (blonde toddler and baby). This was neat to work on!

I had to borrow some maryjanes from google for the youngest girl and used the stockings from the middle girl to clone in some socks.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/12/06
Post by: capriccio on July 16, 2006, 04:04:35 PM
(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/3259/bourleta15origwebbh7.jpg)

(http://img370.imageshack.us/img370/1070/bourleta15webdh8.jpg)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: Ziaphra on July 16, 2006, 04:50:25 PM
Nice work cap... :up:
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: capriccio on July 16, 2006, 08:29:51 PM
Thanks Ziaphra!

After uploading it here, it finally hit me that the cloth on the bottom right wasn't a floor covering, but the train of the gown. Seems so obvious now, but I missed it! Here's an updated version with the train lightened to match the dress.

(http://img125.imageshack.us/img125/217/bourleta15webxs7.jpg)
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: Carol on July 16, 2006, 08:42:21 PM
Hi Capriccio,

Just one little thing:  The gentleman's shirt and gloves of girl on right look very yellow.  I think they should be white.  Glad you picked up on the train.  Looks much better!

Carol
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: capriccio on July 16, 2006, 08:45:54 PM
Quote from: Carol on July 16, 2006, 08:42:21 PM
Hi Capriccio,

Just one little thing:  The gentleman's shirt and gloves of girl on right look very yellow.  I think they should be white.  Glad you picked up on the train.  Looks much better!

Carol

Thanks - I see that too. Will fix.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: capriccio on July 16, 2006, 09:31:08 PM
I could keep tweaking this one forever! Here's the latest version:

(http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/5959/bourleta15web2lv7.jpg)

Besides correcting the yellowed whites, I also smoothed out the pink color in the curtains and added a punch of green to the greenery. Too much? or improved?

My save to web feature always lightens the image considerably, too. The full version is not nearly this washed out and has more punch to the colors and shading.
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: mschonher on July 16, 2006, 09:55:56 PM
Really nice Cap, I think I had that same headpiece when I got married....UH OH I just gave my age away.....Mary
Title: Re: Capriccio's Difficult Workshop - Updated 7/16/06
Post by: clinttmbg on July 19, 2006, 01:41:57 PM
Awesome work, cap.
The whole set is great work. I'm impressed!
I can't find anything to critique. :wnw:

My mom and dad had that blue and yellow @ their wedding.