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Title: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 18, 2019, 05:23:29 PM
Hi All,

I just got this one and haven't done anything yet but I was wondering what you thought the dark part on his neck was.  I'm assuming it's some kind of facial hair but it just seems odd.  It almost looks like there's a pattern on it but that doesn't seem right either.

Also, the areas at the bottom--maybe his hand is on some kind of balustrade or railing?  It's not clear so my thought is to either ignore it and just bring the sleeves and jacket to the bottom of the photo or create a vignette.  What do you think?

Thanks!

Mary

(https://i.postimg.cc/xJ8bqp26/De-Jarnett-B-15-08-2-75x3-25-forum1.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/xJ8bqp26)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 18, 2019, 09:53:50 PM
I think it's hair. There is a disorder that causes hair to grow in places it typically doesn't, so possibly it's a version of that. Look at another old tin type image I found online that's similar

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0116/3637/5610/products/13E28091-FD67-4E47-9D61-8780A1F86201_grande.jpg?v=1537137744)

As far as the bottom, I think that's damage not a railing. This is a hand colored monochrome image and the wood-colored things are not that. I'd extend sleeves and jacket down, I think
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 19, 2019, 10:07:05 AM
Thanks Jo Ann! 
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Mhayes on June 19, 2019, 11:49:15 PM
Mary, we don't encourage doing a vignette, but on this one I would. The oval is what looks like where the decorative frame left its mark.

When I was younger I had a disorder that cause hair to grow on my legs.  ;)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Shadow on June 20, 2019, 12:41:59 AM
Funny Margie!  :funny:
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 20, 2019, 11:44:54 AM
Great, I'll try both with and without vignette and we can see which looks better.  Just FYI, I did a little googling and discovered that the "neckbeard" was a big deal in Victorian times.  Clearly, my guy here was very fashion forward :)

Here's Henry David Thoreau and his neckbeard:

(https://i.postimg.cc/p9tKQrTg/Benjamin-D-Maxham-Henry-David-Thoreau-Restored.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/p9tKQrTg)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 20, 2019, 12:31:50 PM
What a can of worms you've opened regarding neckbeards!! There's a society with a blog about the history (http://neckbeardsociety.blogspot.com/2018/12/how-popular-were-neckbeards-in-1800s.html) and here are some more examples (https://rateyourmusic.com/list/zoot_allures/neckbeards_are_awesome/)

I still cannot fathom how they thought this looked good - but then mutton chop sideburns were a thing then too. Hairiness was in its heyday...

(https://www.merriam-webster.com/assets/mw/images/article/art-wap-article-main/[email protected])

A guide with names  (http://nextluxury.com/mens-style-and-fashion/beard-styles-facial-hair-types/)for all sorts of facial hair arrangements :)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 20, 2019, 02:49:49 PM
I've certainly learned a lot today. Apparently beards were recommended for health reasons: https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/victorian-era-doctors-prescribed-beards-help-keep-men-healthy-180951471/

Of course mutton chops and neckbeards morphed into the mullet so I'm not sure men have learned much in the last 100 years! ;D
 
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Hannie on June 20, 2019, 03:05:40 PM
(http://i.imgur.com/NDcdqi8.jpg) (https://imgur.com/NDcdqi8)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 20, 2019, 03:47:16 PM
:)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Marydh on June 20, 2019, 06:07:34 PM
LOL Hannie
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 20, 2019, 06:25:59 PM
This is great Hannie, a neckbeard AND unibrow!  I've had some good laughs today, guess I better concentrate on fixing the picture now.
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Mhayes on June 20, 2019, 11:04:50 PM
You nailed it Hannie!  :funny:

Not sure why isn't showing as it need on the cell phone?
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Shadow on June 20, 2019, 11:44:58 PM
Good one Hannie. Can't see it on the PC but it's visible on the wee screen.
Look forward to your final Mary.  :)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Hannie on June 21, 2019, 03:14:15 AM
Not sure why some can't see the image, I edited my post and Sam the Eagle should visible now.
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Lynnya on June 21, 2019, 11:44:59 AM
Wow Hannie... just saw two of those fly over my son's house in Seattle... they weren't quite that blue though....
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Candice on June 22, 2019, 01:41:00 PM
OMG.... LOL 
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 23, 2019, 03:39:57 PM
Here's where I am with my dapper gentleman.  Thoughts?  I'm not sure about the color... 

Thanks! 

Mary
(https://i.postimg.cc/4mj5fg4P/De-Jarnett-B-15-08-2-75x3-25-forum2.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/4mj5fg4P)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 23, 2019, 06:31:47 PM
He has come a long way :)

I think the color on the face in the original looks very splotchy in how and where they applied pink. It doesn't look great, but I'm not sure a restore should fix problems in the original. Perhaps just desaturate the reds a bit to minimize it?

On the sleeve on the left of the image, you have a bright band on the jacket side which should be dark to match the jacket fabric. You can see the bump at the top of the sleeve and follow that line down for the armhole shape.

On the edges of the ringlets and neck hair, some of the fine texture is gone. The smudge brush is good at teasing that back (or paint out some of the mask for the new background - not sure how you did that).

Also, the whites look a little greenish to me. Otherwise, it's looking ready for submission to the neckbeard society :)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Candice on June 23, 2019, 08:29:39 PM
Gracious, his eyes were light!!
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 23, 2019, 08:33:58 PM
I think his eyes look a little zombie-like...

Jo Ann, can you point out the jacket band?  My unibrow must be affecting my vision :) In the meantime, I'll make these other corrections. 

Thank you!
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: Jo Ann Snover on June 24, 2019, 12:29:13 AM
See if this helps with the sleeves - the green outlines are where the sleeves and armholes are. The red-ish marks are where the fabric is lighter and shouldn't be

His eyes do look strange, but they're that way in the original too. Possibly the negatives were touched up by the original photographer? Given the hand coloring, I wouldn't be surprised...


(https://i.postimg.cc/R3PBZBYm/De-Jarnett-B-15-08-2-75x3-25-jacket-sleeves.jpg) (https://postimg.cc/R3PBZBYm)
Title: Re: Studio Portrait
Post by: coopmj on June 24, 2019, 10:58:23 AM
Oh gee, I need to learn my lefts from my rights.  I looked everywhere BUT the right spot and it's so obvious!  Thank you!!

Mary