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[Ausimax]

This is my latest job! Funny I have the feeling I have run into this chap before.




This is where I am at to now, the bench-top and arm/hand present somewhat of a challenge, no info in channels in any mode, presently thinking of a big box of Corn Flakes.

Comments and suggestions would be welcome.



Max

[glennab]

Hi Max

So far he looks great.  Could he possibly be reaching into a bag of chips?  (Would that it were that easy.)  I'm wondering if this is a possibility for some creating cropping.  The discoloration on the ceiling is awful, yet it appears that you've rendered what was in the original.  The only other two things that jump at me are the fuzziness at the corner of the ceiling light and the goldish "blob" on the light cover.  Is that damage?

As usual, you're doing one heck of a job!

Best to you

Glenna

[kstruve]

Nice work cleaning this one up, Max.  Could you show us a high-res crop of just his hand area?  I think that he's setting something onto the table, like a saucer or bowl.  I definitely can't tell at this low resolution though.

Kurt

[GP]

Hi Max 

I had the same feeling as I saw this picture, I think there were a couple more with this man in it. Good job so far! I noticed that you may have cloned away some of his leg, have an other look 
What you have as the outside of his leg is actually the  shadow that runs along his thigh




Gerlinde 

sorry the picture is so small, I'm at work and don't have the "right tools"

[Ausimax]

Hi Folks,

Glenna, he is surely reaching for something, however he has nothing to reach with, There is no info I can find in channels and I doubt I have the skill to reconstruct his hand and I can see no way a crop can work as it would loose too much good material.

As for the ceiling? I think the colour at the far end is light bounce from the cupboards, seems to be to even to be damage, the blob on/in the light cover? I might take it out, it could be natural.

Kurt, I will give a link to a hi-res crop of the hand area, it is too large to post, if you think you can rebuild it feel free to have a go, any help would be good, I am no artist.

http://img250.imageshack.us/img250/38/handcroplargetj5.jpg


Gerlinde, you may be right about the leg, I restored it that way at first but it did not look natural, appeared like a big sinew running down the back of his leg, will probably rework it, I'm not pleased with it at present.

Thanks for your comments and eyes, after you work on these for a while it gets hard to sort the damage from the data.

Max

[Ziaphra]

Is it possible that he reaching into a packet of rolls and putting them out on that plate there?

[glennab]

Hi Max

I was kidding about the bag of chips.  It would be so much easier to recreate a bag than a hand!

I'd still guess that he's reaching to pick up something because of the position of the rest of his arm.   Wouldn't it be turned somewhat if he were setting something down?  Kurt?

GG

P.S. Dave, if I were young and cute, I'd vogue too.  Hence the cat icon.

[kstruve]

I think that he's holding a bowl or something like this:



I couldn't get the angle correct because I was taking the photo myself of my right hand, but I think the man's hand is doing something like this.

Kurt

[Ausimax]

Hi Folks,

Ziaphra, he could have been, no detail there to tell what he is doing.

Glenna, I still think my box of Corn Flakes idea has merit, go for the large economy size and it could have covered most of the damage.

Kurt, Nice hand! I did the same thing and mine just looked terrible(The ravages of age).

Anyway back to the main game, I think I have taken this one as far as I can, I sketched in a hand and tried to create the illusion of a hand without trying for detail I did not know of. Hopefully it looks better than a damaged area and is not obvious enough to pull your attention away from the main point of focus, being his face.

I will get Mike or Dave to have a look at it and give a judgement as to whether it fits the guidelines.

Check out the rest of it and see if you think there are things that can be improved, I have reworked those that were mentioned before.



Thanks for you comments, they are much welcomed.

Max

[RosyBijou]

Max,
Looking really good! 

A quick question--how did you draw that hand?  (ie: did you work off a photograph or did you sketch it freestyle...?)  Your shadowing and proportions look really good.  I can't weigh in on what the hand was doing or what position it might have been in in the original, it's really obliterated in the photo-- but the hand that you drew looks great!

Replacing body parts is something that I find to be particularly challenging...

[cmpentecost]

Hi Max,

I've been following this thread, and I think you are doing a great job.  We'll probably never really know what his hand was doing, since water damage completely covered it up.  The focus is on the man's face, so I think you could either use the hand you drew, which is excellent by the way, or.....have it look like he's reaching into a bread bag or potato chip bag.  Of course, you'd then have to add the bag.  I guess the one thing that comes to mind for me is to make the hand, whatever it's doing, as inconspicuous as possible.

Great job Max.

Christine

[Ratz]

Good work Max,
youv'e made the best of a bad lot! I say go with the hand, it looks good and the face is the focus!
Just my 2 cents
Vicki

[glennab]

Hi Max

I very much like your solution to the hand issue.  It's not real crisp (appropriately, in my opinion), but is a credible representation of a hand in a position in which I'd picture it (the corn flakes box and chip bag notwithstanding!).  I agree with Chris and Vicki that his face is the focus, as it should be. The whole restoration is up to your usual fine standards!

GG

[Ausimax]

Hi Folks,

Kerry, I worked off a photo, I got my wife to take some photos of my hand in a position I thought would work, I used a different pose to what Kurt suggested, as I did not want to have to add anything for him to be holding.

Unfortunately my arms are long and thin, so I had to scale it to size then, use warp to fatten it and shorten it, then I drew around it and drew in the creases for the knuckles etc, then on another layer I drew in the creases and shadows between fingers and then painted the colour at low opacity over that, and filled in the area outlined, then burned around the outer edges, surprisingly it worked reasonably well, I am hopeless at drawing, have no sense of proportion or scale, I still draw a cat with 2 circles and an "M".

Christine, It brings up the problem of what to do, we can't add anything that was not there eg: Bag or Corn flakes box, so the only thing I was reasonably sure was there is his hand, so it was the only thing I could think of doing.

Ratz & Glenna, thanks for your opinions, it helps to have the view of others, you get too close to the job at times.

Dave answered in Mikes Office, suggested to go with the hand and option a crop, personally I can't see a way to crop without losing a lot of what the photo is about, so I will probably upload as is and the quality control person can decide how to crop it.

Max

[Ausimax]

Hi,

This is my current project, still in a rough state so I would like your comments/ideas, I'm not happy with the shirt yet and unsure about the background, sampled close to right side of his head where the colour looked relatively undamaged, looked blue to me, but when applied to the whole area looks an icky green, your thoughts please.







Max