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« on: July 15, 2011, 04:40:39 PM »

here is the original....I have no idea what the name of this machine is ---if I knew what kind of machine  I might be able to re-build it.








this is what I have so far....
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« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2011, 05:57:43 PM »

 Thumbs Up v.2 Looks great so far!
That unit is field machinery.
http://www.farmequipmentcenter.com/results.php?eqmake=CaseIH&eqmodel=2388
This one here is fairly close, but they have cabs. this one in the photo looks like its only the basics.
http://www.farmequipmentcenter.com/details.php?eqvehicleid=45544076&eqdealerid=301802
the first like you might go through and see if there is one that matches what you have in the photo.
Hope this helps. Smiley
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« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2011, 07:40:20 PM »

Hi JJ

A couple of observations…  It appears to me that the tree behind the girl's head extends further into the sky than you're showing. Judging by the darker color behind the muck, I'd guess it goes about a third of the way up between the girl's head and the top of the photo.

And I think you need to do more color correction.  Your image is so over saturated that some of the details in the machinery is getting lost.

You're a brave soul to tackle this one.  It's been in the galleries for a very long time.  I love the challenging ones, and this was beyond my adventurousness! Kudos for taking it on!  And good luck!

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« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2011, 08:07:40 PM »

oops...I know I oversaturated the photo....its a work in progress...the trees I was not real sure  about
 I see what you mean by the darkness there, it also looks like  trees just slightly above the center of the machine ...from the colors that are liquefied together but I have not been able to pull any detail out of these areas...
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« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2011, 08:49:30 PM »

JJ, I don't think you'll get any detail on the trees from behind the debris.  My suggestion would be to pull from what's clear and clean on the far left in the original and build the trees that way.  Clone or just copy and paste to separate layers until you've constructed something tree-like. What might give you problems is that the sky behind the good part of the tree is much lighter than your saturated sky.  You may have to go back to the original sky (what there is of it) and make a mask from that sky, including what's behind the existing trees.  Then re-create the sky in a much more muted blue.  There are some great tricks with channels to mask areas like that and have a very believable background that doesn't look contrived.  But you'd have to build your trees first, and having them on a lighter color would make creating the mask much easier.

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« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2011, 10:36:20 PM »

jj, you sure know how to pick 'em! Can't help you with a name for the machinery - it looks like some sort of earth mover. Looking at the channels and fiddling with calculations, I did come up with an outline for the thing - I think. Aside from the oversaturation that GK noted, you have a good start on this one.

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« Reply #6 on: July 16, 2011, 04:36:23 AM »

It looks like a combine or potato harvester or a 1960s McCormick harvester.
I haven't been able to find a photo with a machine just like it, there is such a variety in models.

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« Reply #7 on: July 16, 2011, 10:53:26 AM »

what I am finding doesn't really match this lined up and looked very close to the mechanics of the bottom, infact allot of it was the same .....opinions? I know the color is completely wrong now......suggestions? also is there a reference for her face?



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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2011, 04:19:27 AM »

Jesterjeni, I have not been able to find a reference photo for the little girl's face.
I'm not sure if the machinery part that you added goes well with the rest, but I also don't have any suggestions for improvement so I probably should just keep my mouth shut!   Roll Eyes

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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2011, 08:02:02 AM »

Jesterjeni, you really have a tough one with so much of the top of the photo damaged. You have done a great job so far. I'm like Hannie that I don't know if if the added part of the machinery works and it is taken from another photo. Also, you can see bits of the old background against it and part of the blue sky dips into the leading forward edge. Even if leaving it off would not be correct, I get nervous adding what we have no info on. I would also keep parts that are in good shape intact---the part that shows what looks like pulley and a shaft showing. It is damaged. but that's OK. There maybe some history behind that.

The girl is really hard with all the damage, but I'm thinking her left arm is up higher on the wheel. The other arm could be hidden. Right now her right arm looks as long as her legs. For the dots around her head, those look like where the pattern of the print has washed away the ink. That will be a slow work with the healing brush.

Kudos for doing this one!

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2011, 04:46:25 PM »

Ive been searching since I saw this post. The closest I have come to what that is was a
Massey Ferguson 788 combine
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A quick play and this is how I put it into your photo -
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2011, 07:41:54 PM »

I have studied this picture until I'm cross eyed ....there are what looks like potatoes in the original, so I think it may be some sort of potato harvester. I do not think that it stands tall, but rather a sort of dump-truck kinda body or like lurch points out, it could be some sort of earth mover and what I am seeing is rocks. I think the outline lurch gave it is pretty accurate. again that leaves me a bit lost......also, the arms are a bit too long...I am still questioning rather they are together or not... Crazy Fool
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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2011, 09:58:47 PM »

JJ, I should have written this down, and I apologize for not doing so, as my mind is a sieve - I think I'll remember, but no cigar! When I was testing this image, I checked all three color spaces, and it seems that I found a little more detail in the girl in calculations either in LAB or CMYK.  Go through all your colors, and try different blending modes, because some will give you nada, but all of a sudden a blending mode will give you more detail than you ever thought possible. And don't forget to use gray.  It's above the actual color mode colors, but at times it'll also reveal some interesting details.

With this one, there wasn't much more, even with calculations, but her face was a little clearer.  I don't remember looking at her arms.

Getting the details on the top of the machine is going to be just about impossible, because even though the machines everyone's posted have a similar look, the details just aren't the same.  And I'd definitely go back to the lighter sky, because that's what was in the original.

Brave soul!  I can't tell you how many times I looked at this one and went "Nuh-uh!"

Maybe give yourself a little break and come back to it with "fresh" eyes.

Bless!

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« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2011, 09:57:12 AM »

the contents of the back of the machine looks like big rocks....it doesn't seem to have the appearance of a potato......it also looks like it is short...and the trees show through it a bit..could it be some sort of earth mover? there has to be a machine that matches this one somewhere... there is a name on the machine but i could not make it out?Huh?
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« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2011, 01:32:55 PM »

Isn't it fun when the only clue you have about details is your imagination? I know the common wisdom is that you don't try to figure those things out, but just reproduce the colors and shapes, but I for one am always curious . . .
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